Has the Democrat Party gone more left wing/liberal the last 20 yrs?

[Falsedawn]

Hey, he listens to Molyneux. That makes him an expert on everything and justifies hatred toward everyone who disagrees with him.

I'll never understand that. I'm by no means otherworldly intelligent, but I at least back up my opinions with relevant information that supports my beliefs. These mooks listen to some dipshit on youtube and post what amounts to "It be that way because it is" and i'm supposed to take that seriously. Like Pwent with his "I don't care about context, you're a communist" bit. Is that really the level of discourse we're accepting now? And these are the people calling us the worst posters in the War Room. It's awe inspiring how much people rally around the lowest common denominator around here.

 

[Rational Poster]

Hey, he listens to Molyneux. That makes him an expert on everything and justifies hatred toward everyone who disagrees with him.

Molyneux has a british/irish accent tho, so he's clearly highly intelligent.

 

[WiolentOne]

The worst part about you is that while you lack insight into basically every topic you post about, you see it fit to bring that lack of insight from a position of authority, as if the fact that you lack even foundational knowledge isn't readily apparent.

Your posts in this thread are evidence enough of that. Stick to farming.

Tell us more about this "true communism" you spoke of earlier.

<Lmaoo>

 

[Falsedawn]

Tell us more about this "real communism" you spoke of earlier.

<Lmaoo>

Case in point.

You can't tell me the fundamental differences between Marxism and Leninism, but you think I'M the laughable one.

Does it ever sink in that you're a dipshit? Is introspection above your ability level too?

 

[Rational Poster]

Case in point.

You can't tell me the fundamental differences between Marxism and Leninism, but you think I'M the laughable one.

Does it ever sink in that you're a dipshit? Is introspection above your ability level too?

Be nice to this guy.

He's so tough, but he'll block you if you hurt his feelings too much.

@WiolentOne is a coward.

 

[Falsedawn]

Be nice to this guy.

He's so righteous he'll block you if you hurt his feelings too much.

At this point, that'd be an improvement. I hope all these useless garbage cans around here block me, at least then I wouldn't get quoted about some stupid shit.

 

[Spoken]

Democratic party is thoroughly into globalized markets and capitalism, and generally wants a slightly higher tax rate that doesnt even come close to what is expected in countries that are thoroughly socialist. They prioritize the buying of goods, replacing old technology, and firmly believe in the power of human progress. The neo-liberal paradigm is alive in well in both the democratic and republican party. Disagreements on the particulars of this or that doesnt change the blood running through the veins.
Though, it's certainly jumped on board with identity politics these past few years. But still, the way the democratic party understands the debate doesnt jell with real left-wing ideology.

Real leftists or folks with left-wing ideas are going to want to tear all that shit down, including the way identity politics are done by the democratic party.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

I think so. Even the Clintons in the 90's were for strong borders, not Islam apologists and Islamophobia fighters and not pushing the LGBTQ agenda on children that we see today.


And I would say that they are the reason this country is so divided. The Democrat Party has gone so far left on many issues, there is no common ground on some of these.

Even back in the 90's many Democrats could agree that borders should be secure and don't have transgender storytime for children at the library.


Anyway, Yes or No, and explain your answer.

Yes. The left is unapologetically calling for a totalitarian state.

 

[HomerThompson]

Case in point.

You can't tell me the fundamental differences between Marxism and Leninism, but you think I'M the laughable one.

Does it ever sink in that you're a dipshit? Is introspection above your ability level too?

 

[Spoken]

Yes. The left is unapologetically calling for a totalitarian state.

I think it wants to totalize their paradigm and have it be the typical way doing government and thinking about the world, which strikes me as no different than the social and political norms we've had in the past.

Not to say I agree with... I hate most political ideologies I encounter. But what I especially hate about the american left is the fuckin inconsistency. You can have a chat with a real leftist because there is intellectual consistency (even if its circular). Same with someone that's further right and really prioritizes capital... but you can't track with the inconsistency of the american left, or, for that matter, most of the american right.

 

[WiolentOne]

Case in point.

You can't tell me the fundamental differences between Marxism and Leninism, but you think I'M the laughable one.

Does it ever sink in that you're a dipshit? Is introspection above your ability level too?

The difference between "true communism" and communism is praxis.

It's been a complete and utter failure every single time it's been implemented. Every time the results have been disastrous costing the lives of 10s of millions. Every time it leads to totalitarianism because communism is fundamentally flawed.

You're so retarded it should be a crime. Perhaps under your communist utopia you will be permabanned from reality lol. Oh big momma the irony!

 

[curryjunkie]

I think Obama went wacko left in his second term with praising Islam, the clock boy invitation to the white house, transgender pushing and his stances and words regarding police.

but what would jesus do ?

 

[Rod1]

Im going to remember everyone who claims that Leftists only care about identity politics.

Clearly the Democratic party has gone further left in terms of identity politics, but for the most part it remains as a center right party economically.

I voted yes because in 1997 it was already a center-right economically party.

 

[Falsedawn]

The difference between "true communism" and communism is praxis.

It's been a complete and utter failure every single time it's been implemented. Every time the results have been disastrous costing the lives of 10s of millions. Every time it leads to totalitarianism because communism is fundamentally flawed.

You're so retarded it should be a crime. Perhaps under your communist utopia you will be permabanned from reality lol. Oh big momma the irony!

None of this shit means anything, especially with regard to the differences between Marxism and Leninism.

You're out of your depth, now go get your fucking shine box.

 

[mrbaapt]

The country has polarized in general. Both parties are farther to their extreme side then they originally were.

You aren't paying attention if you think anything the DNC has done recently has moved the party left.

 

[Lead]

You aren't paying attention if you think anything the DNC has done recently has moved the party left.

My statement may have not have been clear as I didn't state a period of time to compare it to. Would you still make the same statement above if I said the party has moved left in the past 20 years (90s)?

 

[mrbaapt]

My statement may have not have been clear as I didn't state a period of time to compare it to. Would you still make the same statement above if I said the party has moved left in the past 20 years (90s)?

Unless we're talking Carter (who exited office in 1981, nearly 40 years ago), all the Democratic presidents we've had have either been neoliberals like Clinton or centrists like Obama both which moved the party to the right of where Carter left it.

 

[DickSarp]

Im going to remember everyone who claims that Leftists only care about identity politics.

Clearly the Democratic party has gone further left in terms of identity politics, but for the most part it remains as a center right party economically.

I voted yes because in 1997 it was already a center-right economically party.

I'm fascinated by the idea of 'identity politics' bc it seems like a positive thing. I would think that we should encourage such solidarity to usher in movement of the political class. In other words, left to its own design, money and power, a class / identity unto itself, will rule. Historically, the only time there's been equitable movements to change that dynamic is when people of common interest stand together.

I guess the idea of 'identity politics' as a bad thing is in the eye of the beholder. The economic royalists seem to have no problem hanging together for a cause, whether it's deregulation, stomping on labor or shipping jobs overseas, they are homogeneous in those respects. That's why we need right wing republicans who sell out their own class to play nice with their moneyed owners. Standing together for a just cause seems fairly noble. To me, it's a pretty sound concept.

 

[DickSarp]

Unless we're talking Carter (who exited office in 1981, nearly 40 years ago), all the Democratic presidents we've had have either been neoliberals like Clinton or centrists like Obama both which moved the party to the right of where Carter left it.

That is an outstanding point. Many of the Carter initiatives became Reagan staples in governance.

 

[Rod1]

I'm fascinated by the idea of 'identity politics' bc it seems like a positive thing. I would think that we should encourage such solidarity to usher in movement of the political class. In other words, left to its own design, money and power, a class / identity unto itself, will rule. Historically, the only time there's been equitable movements to change that dynamic is when people of common interest stand together.

I guess the idea of 'identity politics' as a bad thing is in the eye of the beholder. The economic royalists seem to have no problem hanging together for a cause, whether it's deregulation, stomping on labor or shipping jobs overseas, they are homogeneous in those respects. That's why we need right wing republicans who sell out their own class to play nice with their moneyed owners. Standing together for a just cause seems fairly noble. To me, it's a pretty sound concept.

I think you have a point somewhere but you are using so many insider terms that you come of as a lunatic rambling.