Opinion Has anyone ever admitted to being wrong, or changed their views in this forum?

[PHATV]

No.

Neither.

Never supported either of them.

Just basked in the glory of Hillary's downfall. And I trade about Trump just to watch Dems lose their mind.

I was kidding.

Seriously, though. I've always been right, so I guess it would stand to reason that I've never been swayed.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Your location gave me the sense you're more of an old school right wing guy.

Ole Teddy Roosevelt would be considered a far right loon today based on his views on race and imperialism but even he could see the value in conservation and I remember @Devout Pessimist once had this interesting article in his sig which was basically an old conservative religious argument in favor of conservation so it wasn't always the case that the right in America supported raping the earth indefinitely.

I remember you making the argument that was once understood by the right in America that welfare state polices and a social safety net aren't a slippery slope to communism but a rational concession to stave away more radically left solutions.

The problem is that most people only see a caricature of the right which is mainly the fault of the Republicans, Fox News and the Religious Right in America. They never hear about serious conservative thinkers like Edmund Burke, Roger Scruton, Roger Kimball, Richard Weaver, Theodore Dalrymple, David Stove, Russell Kirk and so on. There are plenty of people on the Right who are critical of capitalism, skeptical of technology and care about the environment. It is just finding these thinkers and reading them takes some effort. They are not fashionable radicals. They are serious thinkers who lived disciplined lives so there is no popular media to sensationalize them or trendy hipsters wearing their t-shirts.

This is the article you are thinking about:

Richard Weaver and Piety Towards Nature

From his first works to his last, [Richard] Weaver contended that the capstone virtue we need to restore is piety, and especially piety toward nature. Indeed, as John East notes, the concept of piety is the key to all of Weaver’s thought. Weaver’s contention here is not unique. It is shared by other early conservative scholars and by Weaver’s mentors, the Fugitive-Agrarians. But Weaver developed and emphasized the idea much more than others have. His counsel, first offered in the early years after World War II, is even more important for us today, when so many of our “conservative” politicians and pundits have become mere opportunists, doing the bidding of those who would profit by plundering the planet.

...what man should seek in regard to nature is not —a complete dominion but a modus vivendi that is, a manner of living together, a coming to terms with something that was here before our time and will be here after it. The important corollary of this doctrine, it seems to me, is that man is not the lord of creation, with an omnipotent will, but a part of creation, with limitations, who ought to observe a decent humility in the face of the inscrutable.

 

[IGIT]

I have. Some very intelligent people in here. I'm always open to other opinions provided they're in line with mine. Jk

Yes. I have.

Ahoy mark cutting,

Well said my friend!

- IGIT

 

[Deleted member 196663]

Seems to me like there is nothing that can change anyone's mind. If someone is in fact proven wrong, they don't respond, they'll go into hiding and try to find another thread to discuss their (wrong) ideas.

That's because you perceive there are only two extreme groups. Too many people are brainwashed into thinking 300+ million people fall in two categories. Most people hate politics and don't vote. These are the majority, and these are the people that can be convinced. The partisan fanatics are just mindless foot soldiers. It's like convincing someone in war to change sides, and yes, these people literally think they are in a war.

 

[nhbbear]

I admit my wrongs all the time, not that I am ever wrong.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The problem is that most people only see a caricature of the right which is mainly the fault of the Republicans, Fox News and the Religious Right in America. They never hear about serious conservative thinkers like Edmund Burke, Roger Scruton, Roger Kimball, Richard Weaver, Theodore Dalrymple, David Stove, Russell Kirk and so on.

The problem is that people like Kirk have nothing to do with the modern American right. What would Russell Kirk have had to say about a president with five kids from three wives who paid a porn star to cover up an affair and regularly slings juvenile insults at people who upset him on social media? Probably not "lulz, nothing matters! Take that libz!" I'm betting. And note that he's not some kind of outcast from the party. He has 90%-plus support from Republican voters, and Congress has tried to cover up scandals and generally back him up. And before that, an undeniably decent family man spent eight years getting the vilest possible insults hurled at him, and then another genuinely decent person got accused of murder, running a pedophile ring, being a habitual liar, etc. That's what the right is today. Anything for power, and no values at all beyond "take that libz!"

 

[Rational Poster]

I remember when @Devout Pessimist tried to make pretend he wasn't a 4chan neckbeard racist for like one week.

That was cute.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

The problem is that people like Kirk have nothing to do with the modern American right. What would Russell Kirk have had to say about a president with five kids from three wives who paid a porn star to cover up an affair and regularly slings juvenile insults at people who upset him on social media? Probably not "lulz, nothing matters! Take that libz!" I'm betting. And note that he's not some kind of outcast from the party. He has 90%-plus support from Republican voters, and Congress has tried to cover up scandals and generally back him up. And before that, an undeniably decent family man spent eight years getting the vilest possible insults hurled at him, and then another genuinely decent person got accused of murder, running a pedophile ring, being a habitual liar, etc. That's what the right is today. Anything for power, and no values at all beyond "take that libz!"

You are correct. Kirk loathed the new Right. In his 1993 book The Politics of Prudence Kirk predicted the new Right would not last long because they would collapse under the weight of their own stupidity and greed. Sadly, it looks like things are taking longer to fall apart than he thought.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

I remember when @Devout Pessimist tried to make pretend he wasn't a 4chan neckbeard racist for like one week.

That was cute.

I have only been on 4chan a couple of times. I cannot figure out how to navigate the website.

 

[Rational Poster]

I have only been on 4chan a couple of times. I cannot figure out how to navigate the website.

Whether you go there or not you're still heavily influenced by their bile.

I mean look at your choice of avatar my dude.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Whether you go there or not you're still heavily influenced by their bile.

I mean look at your choice of avatar my dude.

What is wrong with Pepe the Frog and Wojack?

 

[Rational Poster]

What is wrong with Pepe the Frog and Wojack?

The groups that have adopted them as their mascot and the type of the material they put out using them.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

The groups that have adopted them as their mascot and the type of the material they put out using them.

 

[Rational Poster]

Oh look, someone else's opinions.

How surprising from you.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Before frequenting Sherdog I used to think that it would be a good think if only the government had guns. Now I am a 2nd amendment hardliner and I've never even been in the US.

One big problem is that western governments are getting softer on criminals and they want to ease people's minds by taking away their guns. They are going to coddle criminals while taking away people's ability to defend themselves. Who in their right mind thinks that is a good deal?

 

[panamaican]

I've admitted to being wrong about information multiple times and even changed my views on solutions to specific problems, although I sadly can't remember what the subject was.

 

[Rod1]

I supported Trump early on but changed my mind when presented with the obvious.

 

[Islam Imamate]

The problem is that most people only see a caricature of the right which is mainly the fault of the Republicans, Fox News and the Religious Right in America. They never hear about serious conservative thinkers like Edmund Burke, Roger Scruton, Roger Kimball, Richard Weaver, Theodore Dalrymple, David Stove, Russell Kirk and so on. There are plenty of people on the Right who are critical of capitalism, skeptical of technology and care about the environment. It is just finding these thinkers and reading them takes some effort. They are not fashionable radicals. They are serious thinkers who lived disciplined lives so there is no popular media to sensationalize them or trendy hipsters wearing their t-shirts.

This is the article you are thinking about:

Richard Weaver and Piety Towards Nature

From his first works to his last, [Richard] Weaver contended that the capstone virtue we need to restore is piety, and especially piety toward nature. Indeed, as John East notes, the concept of piety is the key to all of Weaver’s thought. Weaver’s contention here is not unique. It is shared by other early conservative scholars and by Weaver’s mentors, the Fugitive-Agrarians. But Weaver developed and emphasized the idea much more than others have. His counsel, first offered in the early years after World War II, is even more important for us today, when so many of our “conservative” politicians and pundits have become mere opportunists, doing the bidding of those who would profit by plundering the planet.

...what man should seek in regard to nature is not —a complete dominion but a modus vivendi that is, a manner of living together, a coming to terms with something that was here before our time and will be here after it. The important corollary of this doctrine, it seems to me, is that man is not the lord of creation, with an omnipotent will, but a part of creation, with limitations, who ought to observe a decent humility in the face of the inscrutable.

Yeah that was the article, I don't think I finished it since its a long read but it was interesting.

I remember a classmate of mine told me that I reminded him of Edmund Burke in a way. Might surprise the WR since I'm seen as a leftist here but compared to my peers I'm relatively sympathetic to the right and conservatism.

 

[USA!USA!]

I have been wrong a lot. Mostly wrong about expecting people to be reasonable, logical or to be decent humans.

 

[IGIT]

Seems to me like there is nothing that can change anyone's mind. If someone is in fact proven wrong, they don't respond, they'll go into hiding and try to find another thread to discuss their (wrong) ideas.

hello mixmastermo,

i think others have noted it - when someone is wrong, they leave the thread.

i'll reference's Jack's posts here, because they are legion in number.

someone will make an ill informed point on economics, Jack will obliterate them using his patented belittling syntax, and then *poof*, the thread dies and the poster debating him leaves for parts unknown until they resurface elsewhere.


- IGIT