Has anyone ever admitted to being wrong, or changed their views in this forum?

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  1. Fawlty

    Fawlty Legitimate Vice President of the WR

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    Holocaust denial, bone-deep racism, lies when confronted about being a presuppositional apologist for Christianity, lies about other people's arguments every time, etc.
     
  2. HomerThompson

    HomerThompson Titanium Belt Platinum Member

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    Only the best posters can admit when they're wrong.
     
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  3. Jack V Savage

    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    I liked Bernie and Clinton about the same (I had different things I liked and disliked about them) and said that I would have expected similar results from them.
     
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  4. Quipling

    Quipling Red Belt

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    Tend to be somewhere between you and fawlty.

    InternetHero is a better poster in his second coming. He's still prone to melodramatic posting and sophistry, but far less so than before, and he makes lots of good posts. sub_thug is solid, didn't notice him until recently. Zankou has been mixed when he steps in lately, but still head and shoulders above 95% of posters.

    alanb has posted some great stuff and some absolutely terrible stuff (My first exposure was a post where he was quoting lyrics with racist subtext from a supremacist band and claimed to not know what they were about. It was in a race-thread, so that wasn't believable. And he's consistently done stuff to reinforce that, like the africa-natural-disaster post you're referencing, and a more recent post linking to a Golden Dawn video).

    Rex and Lecter can be great posters when they want to be. Lecter's sneaky mocking of Pwent and thestruggle was incredible, though the best posts that I can remember seem to have been in a deleted thread.

    PiL has consistently been a good contributor. A great example tends to come in North/South threads. Some posters attack the south by noting that the south tends to have more teen pregnancy than other parts of the country. The hacks tend to excuse this and other social ills by blaming it on black people. He'll do things like point out that marriage after highschool is still pretty common in the south, and that results in a lot of 18-19 year olds getting pregnant. He's also well-read, generally respectful without being saccharine, and willing to criticize across the spectrum.

    TheGreatA makes a lot of good posts, but he also engages in a lot of sophistry when he tries to present as much more moderate than he is. His praise of trolls in one thread exposed him on that, I think.

    Tend to agree with fawlty's characterization of dontsnitch. He had a lot of posts about being respectful and getting along, but largely used that as a way to attack liberal posters with while liking absolutely vile posts by rightwingers.
     
  5. Pupi

    Pupi SAVAGE

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    Yeah, the mature adults in this forum that don't think they are the epitome of knowledge and are Gods gift to the internet.
     
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  6. InternetHero

    InternetHero Titanium Belt

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    I try to be wrong every single day.

    The best lessons are learned from being wrong, and then having the wisdom to see what was wrong.

    Those who are wise in their own eyes and overly self assured about their view of the world will never see how other people live, love, or prosper.

    Not through time, not through history, not their ancestors, and not their lives, or those of their children's. Those committed to being foolish may be foolish for all time.
     
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  7. Jopious Extronimous

    Jopious Extronimous Purple Belt

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    Some posters here can very easily say "my bad I was wrong" and move on.

    Then you have some posters who would literally edit their thread title and OP and play pretend after finding out they were completely wrong.

    It's pretty amazing that fingers in the ears and essentially going "lalalalala I can't hear you!" for pages is easier for them then "my bad" and moving on.
     
  8. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Red Belt

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    I don't think I've ever tried to present myself as moderate. I don't think I've represented myself as anything particular, to be honest. I criticize all sides of the spectrum equally, and points out flawed ideological patterns wherever I observe them. Right, left, center, wherever.

    I don't operate within the limited sphere of binary American politics, and cannot be constrained within those restrictions.

    My "praise of trolls" was an attempt to humour a conversation that other people ultimately seemed to be incapable of having, about the nature of the internet, anonymousness, and the exchange of unfiltered, often destructively creative ideas, unrestricted by the required "civility" and rigidness of real-life interactions. That we do not see its unregulated, often brutishly blunt nature as a "necessary evil" of the internet, is madness to me, considering most of the people I conversed with, were people who themselves came to the internet to hold conversations that they were incapable of having in real life situations.
     
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  9. PainIsLIfe

    PainIsLIfe Gold Belt

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    I've admitted I was wrong a few times and I've changed my positions on a lot of issues.

    I was strongly anti ssm and thought the ACA was too expensive to deal with for the small amount of people it helped.

    I changed my views on both issues; not a total 180 - still wish ssm was called something different, but I support their right to live their life with all the benefits of hetero marriage. I still think they could have come up with a better option on ACA, but I've seen the people it helps and I support it.
     
  10. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun not-so-grand mufti of Sherdog

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    I don't know if shriek is fair, he usually has these weird posts and its not always clear what he means. More like he stops by to post some stream of consciousness post and then leaves. But sometimes I find his posts interesting and in a way that's unique to him. I see what you're saying about his kind of vague POV which doesn't really make clear what he's getting at and feels kind of non-committal but I haven't pressed him to find out if he'd be more clear when confronted on it so I give him the benefit of the doubt.
    That's that Christian solidarity I was talking about. Thurisaz could say some racist shit and DS' defense would be "well at least he's consistent, unlike BLM!" He never could seem to bring himself to criticize other Christian posters which is why I resented him claiming I'm the same with Islam. Yeah I do go at it with the critics of Islam more often than defenders but that's mainly because the former are more common here than the latter and when I do see bad arguments in defense of Islam I'll push back against those too.
     
  11. HomerThompson

    HomerThompson Titanium Belt Platinum Member

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    1. I'm not a mature adult.
    2. I can, and have, admitted being wrong here.
    3. I am the epitome of knowledge.
    4. I am God's gift to the internet.
    5. ...
    6. Profit.
     
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    ineverpost Brown Belt

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    Sherdoggers are never wrong. They all bang 10/10s and make 7 figures plus. All of them could beat Conor McGregor with their superior wrestling.
     
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  13. Quipling

    Quipling Red Belt

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    Your name sounds like poopy. Heh.
     
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  14. Kafir-kun

    Kafir-kun not-so-grand mufti of Sherdog

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    Come on man, pick a side!

    I know you don't neatly fit into the standard American mold but that's because you're not American so you're closer to the European right.

    Speaking of Europe, you and I did once have an interesting conversation that did lead me to not necessarily change my mind but consider things differently. We were talking about Europe and its tradition and I had assumed that you simply defaulted to the classic "Muh Judaeo-Christian values!" line but in fact you didn't and you made the argument that European Civilization is more than that and its key features predate Christianity.

    Our disagreement at the time was IIRC regarding the constructed vs organic nature of the European identity and I think we still have disagreements there but I think your point about Europe being more than simply the so called Judaeo-Christian tradition has a lot of merit. I've come to believe the Greco-Roman tradition is far more relevant to Western success than so called Judaeo-Christian values.
    On that we probably do agree.
    I had kind of the opposite trajectory when it comes to SSM and homosexuality in general. Used to be a standard liberal on those issues in that I strongly supported them and thought all conservative opposition to it was baseless bigotry coming from mouth-breathers. There is a lot of baseless bigotry from the right on these issues, especially from American politicians and preachers, but I think I've come to understand some of the conservative objections to homosexuality throughout my time here.

    In practice I'm still a liberal on these issues because I think the LGBT cat is out of the bag and there's no going back and at this point I think the left is better on these issues so like you its not a full 180, far from it. But I'm more willing to consider potential negative aspects to homosexuality and unintended consequences of the seismic cultural shift on the issue. Specifically I think there might be merit to the idea that men and women are generally speaking complimentary and that homosexual relationships might have unique problems resulting from the deviation from the complimentary model of heterosexual relationships.
     
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    Wadtucket Bizarre and potentially offensive Platinum Member

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    @Rex Kwon Do did nothing wrong except for being the founder of ISIS
     
  16. Gandhi

    Gandhi War Room Deep State Platinum Member

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    Guess I went from a "it's my party too" republican to a "it's not my party anymore". When Obama took office and the Rs went nuts during the GFC, the quackery / ugliness just turned me away. I was always a social liberal and believed that positive govt action was needed to fix social programs, I just had a thing for market based programs, like vouchers and savings plans. In some ways I was buying into a lot of libertarianish silliness. I would agree that posting here helped me shape my thoughts.


    I agree with this - well said
     
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    FrankensteinMMA Sookies boyfriend

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    dont ever trust anyone who cant admit they are wrong.
     
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  18. Trotsky

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    You like Clinton more, you sandbagging centrist sumbitch. Hell, you even inspired the rigidly principled Exception to reevaluate Sanders based on your recommendation to the contrary.

    I think the expectations argument is a bit difficult to speculate on, though. And I think how the two would fare is actually diametrical to common sense.

    If we were just talking about policy/ideology, I would expect that Clinton would fare better with an opposition-held Congress. But, as we know from the Obama and Clinton eras, it's less about policy and more about what traction you can get from refusing to be bipartisan. So, because Clinton has become such a lightning rod for GOP fearmongering, I would think that she would actually inspire less coalition building than Sanders. Sanders, meanwhile, invokes less partisan hostility and has more populist support, so the downsides for GOP Congresspeople to cross the partisan line would be less steep.

    As far as how the two would fare with Democratic-controlled Congresses, I would guess Clinton, despite being less progressive, would be more adept at whipping Democratic colleagues into line.
     
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    I hated @Madmick and then eventually started respecting him. Thats pretty much it. Its not like a post on sherdog is going to make me not agree with the 2nd amendment
     
  20. Trotsky

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    The little I have seen from Zankou suggested to me that he was an apolitical hobbyist: highly intelligent, no doubt, but hardly definable as a right-winger.

    I only peg InternetHero as a right-winger so that I can feign bipartisanship by claiming that there's a right winger who is intelligent and whose posts I enjoy. I've only seen sub thug shitpost.

    You are so deliciously spot-on about Alan. I would wager that, if his life/upbringing were different, he'd be center-left at the very least.
     
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