Has anyone else seen this GSP E-mail drug testing controversy?

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    When I read this I thought a lot of people would be talking about it but I havent seen any posts on this yet so, here I go.

    http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4719572/georges-st-pierre-johny-hendricks-drug-testing-gsp-ufc

    Basically, GSP and his team have been sending e-mails to keith kizer(i think) will all kinds of crazy demands and questions on this whole VADA drug testing thing.

    They were asking stuff like what specifically would be tested for and when the test would take place. Kizer said theres no point in testing if you know when it is going to happen. It should be random...

    Anyways the e-mails are in that link... i will copy and paste them into this thread as well... what do u guys think about this?
     
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    This is the first e-mail to Kizer from GSP and his camp


    Cc : Firas; Michael Mersch; Ted

    Objet : RE:

    Thank you for your email.

    Please see the answers below.

    Keith Kizer

    Executive Director

    Nevada Athletic Commission

    From: Rodolphe Beaulieu

    Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:39 AM

    To: Keith Kizer

    Cc: Firas; Michael Mersch

    Subject:

    Hello Mr Kizer,

    Couple of questions.

    I would like to know the exact list of substances that will be tested by the Salt Lake City lab.? See WADA's Prohibited List - http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...ed-list/2013/WADA-Prohibited-List-2013-EN.pdf

    What will be the detection limits for each test? All methods used for testing are consistent with current WADA technical documents.

    Who will be the MRO (medical review officer)? Dr. Timothy Trainor is the Commission’s Consulting Research Physician.

    Will IRMS analysis will be included for the 19-norandrosterone, la testosterone, la DHEA etc)? Such analysis can and may be done, at the discretion of the Commission

    Thanks

    Rodolphe

    Here is the second e-mail from GSP and his camp... Kizers answers to the questions are in bold

    From: Rodolphe

    Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 9:08 AM

    To: 'Keith Kizer'

    Cc: 'Firas'; Michael Mersch; Ted

    Subject: RE:

    Hello,

    After discussing with Georges and his medical advisors, we do have a few more questions (see below).

    I also want to clarify one point, VADA is NOT sponsoring the tests as Firas previously stated on the call. It was a misunderstanding. It would cost 7,500$ per fighter under VADA and VADA will absorb 5,000$ for a total cost of $20k which is in line with your estimation of the costs with the SMRTL lab.

    1- Can you provide us the Nevada Athletic Commission policies and collection procedures (including results management). Please provide a copy of your policy. All the Commission’s regulations can be found athttp://leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html.

    2- I know you indicated that the Nevada Athletic Commission will use the Salt Lake City lab. Can you confirm who will be the collection company that you intend to use? No

    3- Does the Nevada Athletic Commission has an insurance for this anti-doping program? Please provide a copy. No, the Commission is a government agency.

    4- How long has the Nevada Athletic Commission been conducting these un-announced program with a WADA accredited lab using Olympic level testing? The Commission has been working directly with the SMRT lab starting this summer. Do you/will you also test for HGH and EPO? I already informed you that the testing will be for substances on WADA’s Prohibited List- http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...ed-list/2013/WADA-Prohibited-List-2013-EN.pdf.

    5- How many fighters have been tested with this program by the Nevada Athletic Commission? The Commission has performed OOC testing on about 50 athletes.

    Thank You

    Rodolphe Beaulieu, CFA

    Partner - LB3i Sports

    Slightly over an hour later, Mersch responded to the ongoing conversation: (I believe this is a VADA rep)

    From: Michael Mersch

    Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 10:18 AM

    To: Rodolphe

    Cc: 'Firas'; Ted; Keith Kizer

    Subject: RE:

    Rodolphe,

    I just tried to call you but did not get an answer. I thought that the options available to Georges were made clear during our last call but apparently not.

    Please understand that the Nevada Athletic Commission is doing Georges a favor by offering to be involved in this process. The benefit, to Georges, of having them involved is that it brings legitimacy to any pre-fight testing procedures and any results that may come out of said pre-fight testing. I think Mr. Kizer made it clear that, if Georges want them to be involved, he had a very strict protocol that he expected to be followed and, if Georges elected not to follow said protocol, that was his choice but that the NSAC would not be involved other than to the extent they would traditionally be involved in the drug testing of athletes under Nevada State law.

    Issues such as collection procedures have already been discussed. Who their medical officer is and that the Salt Lake Lab will dictate collection times in concert with the Nevada Commission has also been explained to you.

    Again, the choices for Georges are very simply:

    1) Elect to work with the NSAC and pay for additional drug testing pursuant to the very clear directives of Executive Director Kizer as was discussed at length on the call we had with Ted Ahrens, Mr. Kizer and Commissioner Aguilar;

    2) Elect not to request NSAC pre-fight involvement

    As we discussed on the call, Georges stated goal here seems to be to establish, through medical testing, that Georges is a "clean" fighter. You do not need to work with either the NSAC or VADA to establish that in my opinoin [sic]. As you may be aware, there is an accredited WADA level lab in Montreal that you can work with or you can simply have medical testing performed by any board-certified endocrinologist of your choosing to establish this.

    Similarly, if Georges elects to work with VADA, that is his choice but, as described by Mr. Kizer, VADA has no role or impact on the process of licensing and testing fighters within the State of Nevada (nor in any other jurisdiction for that matter). Additionally, Mr. Hendricks has made it clear that while he is happy to submit to any testing involving the Nevada Commission, he is uncomfortable working with VADA for the reasons noted on our call and those noted above in this email.

    So again, the decision is up to George. Please let me know what he elects to do.

    Thanks.

    Michael Mersch

    When contacted for clarification on the intent of Mr. Mersch's email, a UFC representative simply added, "The email is fairly self-explanatory. We attempted to broker joint drug testing through the NSAC and St-Pierre and his camp elected to utilize VADA."

    That appeared to be all Kizer needed as he moved to claim that GSP was effectively declining hours later:

    Le 2013-08-16
     
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    The whole thing is super sketchy on GSPs part imo. No wonder Johny Hendricks hasn't signed up yet
     
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    Not even sure what I read.
     
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    Cliffs?
     
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    Check out the article... Kizers answers to those emails are bolded. i need to edit the post
     
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    Basically GSP wanted to do this whole VADA testing thing but, before it all gets underway him and his camp start e-mailing keith kizer asking all these crazy questions like, what specifically is going to be tested for and when the test is going to be.

    theres a lot more to it... but basically kizer says if you know when the test is going to be then its not random... you might as well just go with the commissioned drug tests before and after the fight...

    like GSP and his camp are hiding something
     
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    I actually think GSP comes out looking the better for this - he has agreed to testing, and wants to know the procedures. What is wrong with that? The fact that he is willing to PAY to be randomly tested shows his commitment to proving that he is clean.
     
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    GSP's side has already stated they will agree to any testing - VADA, WADA and Firas joked even NASA could do testing if they want. Asking questions is just that, seeking information. There could be a 100 different reasons why they want to know more about the testing -- health, additional costs, etc.
     
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    Maybe they asked it to make sure it was on par with VADA because they might be suspicious of Hendricks attempting to dodge VADA. Besides, in the very last e-mail Rodolphe says GSP agreed to both testings. So this is just a failed attempt at saying GSP is on the juice. You can delete the thread now.
     
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    Also, VADA testing is not associated with the enhanced NSAC testing (which is what Kizer is associated with).
    I think GSP is just shopping for the option that gives him the most cred.
     
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    Yeah and when to cycle off.

    Why would it make a difference unless you thought that you might fail a test for a particular substance at a particular time?
     
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    also this will be GSP's first fight in the US in more than 3 years...
     
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    Yeah, that's fucking crazy! Imagine wanting to know what you will be tested for! Where does Georges get off?!
     
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    Georges camp is asking all of those detailed questions so they can look for areas where HENDRICKS can get away with using.

    They just want to prove that the testing that they have proposed is more thorough...
     
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    Exactly. What's the point of getting tested if you know that it's coming? If i had a set date to take a drug test of course i would be clean
     
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    So he will actually have to cut down to 170 this time?
     
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    hmmm whats worse... Wanting to know what exactly you're being tested for or refusing to do tests and crying about it?

    All that needs to be known is that GSP is willing to do both VADA and WADA while hendricks doesn't seem to want to do either..
     
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    Hendricks didnt want to do it because GSP and his camp are acting all weird about it
     
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