GSP said Fedor is the goat.

[See O]

Yeah.

Reaching hard for yo mamas gap.

But then resistance suddenly ceases to exist once I get past the the pink gates.

This is the new generation that I was talking abourt^. New era fanbase who can't grasp an argument other than to use insults.

 

[Sansnom]

Fedor is GOAT. No one else at heavyweight comes close. And when you're the top at HW, you're top of the world.

Sakuraba, Hendo and GSP are up there too. It ain't just about stats, but also who you fought and how. Sakuraba might have a poor ratio, but he's P4P one of the GOATs and Hendo is too.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Putting Fedor or GSP as GOAT is totally acceptable. They are 1A and 1B depending on how you value aspects.

If you can put PED's aside then Jones and Anderson are in the hunt too at 2A and 2B.

Cormier is quickly rising but has a different route as he may never be considered the GOAT of either division he competes in (HW or LHW) but his combo record cold still get him into GOAT contention. A weird thing, in a way that someone could be an overall GOAT without every being GOAT in either of his natural weight classes.

 

[Flboycanscrap2]

It isn't classy to declare yourself the GOAT, so the classy GOAT, GoatSP, has to throw shine on someone else.

Humble GOAT is humble. Is normal.

 

[bigconan]

We haven't seen the greatest of all time in MMA yet, the sport doesn't pay enough to have great athletes.

When MMA starts paying everyone millions, great athletes may start choosing MMA at a young age.

Conor making 50 million for one fight, seems to say otherwise...and remember, mma is pretty much equal to boxing...if you're a good fighter...you will make great money...while great football players might make 10 million per year, a great fighter can make than in one fight...it's not just conor making good money either...I guarantee khabib is going to make at least 10 million...dc is going to make millions...jones will make millions...if you're a star, you're going to make millions..just like in any other sport...but unlike other sports, this is only for one fight...

 

[Sirwastealot]

He's not the GOAT. I'm tired of this conversation.

He was the best fighter in a era where MMA was still coming into its own. Where you had guys who were good at one specific skill set i.e wrestling, BJJ, karate. These days guys are more well-rounded.

MMA compared to other sports is still very young. I wouldn't say it's in its infancy stage, but it's fairly young.

I'm actually tired of this argument.

Babe ruth is not considered a lesser player because he can't keep up with the athletes of today. It's about how good he was in the time he was active.

Not to mention the game has not evolved that much in the last 10 years. Look at the HW division are you seeing elite, athletic, well-rounded technical fighters?

That's just a weak argument. We may see a greater fighter emerge in the future but so far Fedor's the best we've seen.

 

[WhitestKidU’Know]

Why do you consider Cain a GOAT?

I don’t consider Cain a GOAT but he is definitely the biggest “what could have been” fighter that I can think of.

If only he started fighting sooner and trained a little more intelligently

 

[FlyThaiMMA]

I favor Anderson and DJ as GOAT but Fedor is absolutely incredible

 

[tehMoose]

Fedor is the GOAT

 

[VinceArch]

Fedor definitely has a strong argument that will only get stronger if he wins the Grand Prix.

 

[I WILL CUT YOU]

Why do you consider Cain a GOAT?

He's an all-time great, skillwise.

He thinks Fedor is the GOAT.

 

[SamSchmidt]

We haven't seen the greatest of all time in MMA yet, the sport doesn't pay enough to have great athletes.

When MMA starts paying everyone millions, great athletes may start choosing MMA at a young age.

You might get shit for this comment but I tend to agree.

There is probably hella people out there who for one reason or another do not fight. Be it Kung Fu masters from the deepest darkest corners of China or bar brawlers, boxers, Olympians what have you.

 

[Jackonfire]

GSP will be on the Helwani show today. I'll put up a thread in a bit.

 

[donkeyjr]

I'm actually tired of this argument.

Babe ruth is not considered a lesser player because he can't keep up with the athletes of today. It's about how good he was in the time he was active.

Not to mention the game has not evolved that much in the last 10 years. Look at the HW division are you seeing elite, athletic, well-rounded technical fighters?

That's just a weak argument. We may see a greater fighter emerge in the future but so far Fedor's the best we've seen.

Fedor is not the best we have seen, wtf. He was good when every one was one dimensional. His era would easily get trash now and mma is still a baby as of now. Like the other poster had said, we have not seen the real goat yet, until the Ufc start paying big money.

Babe Ruth would straight up be trash today even if he had todays nutrition and training regimens. He play against a bunch of part timer and the talent pool back then was straight garbage. Baseball was still a baby back then just like how MMA is now.

 

[Deleted member 506663]

Yeah, like all GOAT discussions aren't dumber than fuck

 

[EXOICHO]

GSP has been extremely clear that there is no GOAT.

 

[sapporo ichiban]

Yeah.

Reaching hard for yo mamas gap.

But then resistance suddenly ceases to exist once I get past the the pink gates.

You mother f@$%er.

 

[Exarch01]

I don’t consider Cain a GOAT but he is definitely the biggest “what could have been” fighter that I can think of.

If only he started fighting sooner and trained a little more intelligently

Fair point, although I think BJ Penn is the all-time GOAT for fighters who had excellent careers but may have never actually reached their true potential.

 

[Takamine86]

Prime Roy Nelson would KO any version of Lebron.

Not if Lebron chose boxing at a young age. Ask Bob Arum who says all the great HWs are in the NFL/NBA.



I mean there are a lot of variables but the superior athleticism of Lebron compared to Roy Nelson is evident. I know the chin argument is popular when discussing other athletes, but that is hit or miss for anyone. All these guys could end up having solid chins like a Mitrione or Jon Jones or glass jaws. But you don't have to have a iron chin to be successful in MMA or Boxing, see GSP or Vladamire Klitschko. Defense, Fight IQ, and conditioning are more reliable in the fight game than a solid chin. Fighters who rely on Iron chins tend to be gluttons for punishments to fighters with superior defense and fight IQ.

Here is an example of what happens when a superior athlete slips through the cracks and chooses MMA/Boxing of Football/Basketball.

Boxing HW Deontay Wilder who is currently 40-0 and set to defend his WBC HW title against Tyson Fury was a highschool Football/Basketball star. He was going to play college football/basketball and had dreams of playing in the NFL/NBA but the birth of his daughter who suffers from spina bifida forced him to attend a nearby community college. That is when he turned to boxing and with just 2 years of training, he upset the favorites to win the national golden gloves and U.S. championships at 201 pounds. So Deontay basically beat guys who were Boxing their whole lives with just 2 years of training.

Not going to lie though, it would be tougher in MMA because of wrestling. But at the same time, a large majority of NFL athletes have Highschool or College wrestling background. But they chose the sport that made millions as a career choice.


Source:
http://www.sectiononewrestling.com/documents/nfl_players_wrestled.html

Ray Lewis

2X Florida State Champion

Steve Wisniewski

California State Champion

Lorenzo Neal

NCAA Champion


"I'm a huge wrestling fan. Wrestlers have so many great qualities that athletes need to have." - Bob Stoops - Oklahoma Sooners Head Football Coach

Tiki Barber, RB, New York Giants


Rhonde Barber, SS, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Walter Barnes, DL, Washington Redskins - SEC Champ

Eric Bateman, OL, New York Jets

Harris Benton

Brad Benson, New York Giants – PA State Champ

Greg Boone, RB, Oakland Raiders

Jeff Bostic, C, Washington Redskins – SC State Champ

Tedy Bruschi, ILB, New England Patriots

Bob Bruenig, LB, Dallas Cowboys

Phil Bryant, Philadelphia Eagles – 2x National Prep Champ

Ralph Cindrich, Houston Oilers – PA State Runner-Up

Jonathan Condo, LS, Dallas Cowboys - PA State Champ, Dapper Dan Champ

Tom Cousineau, LB, Cleveland Browns – 3rd State

Tom Covert, OT, Chicago Bears

Chris Cooley, WR, Washington Redskins

Roger Craig, RB, San Francisco 49’ers - Oakland Raiders

Damien Covington, LB, Buffalo Bills

Curley Culp, DL, Kansas City Chiefs – NCAA Champ

Larry Czonka, RB, Miami Dolphins

Rob Davis, ST, Green Bay Packers

Dan Dierdorff, OT, St. Louis Cardinals

Donnie Edwards, OLB, San Diego Chargers

Carl Edwards, San Diego Chargers – 3x MD State Champ

Rob Essink, Seattle Seahawks – NCAA DII Champ

Jim Everett, QB, New Orleans Saints

DeMarco Farr, St. Louis Rams

Ronnie Lott, DB, San Francisco 49’ers - Oakland Raiders


Patrick Flannery, OL, Houston Oilers

Ed Flanagan, C, Detroit Lions

Terrell Fletcher, RB, San Diego Chargers

Bill Fralic, G, Atlanta Falcons

Doug France, LT, Los Angeles Rams – OH State Runner-Up

Frank Garcia, C, St. Louis Rams – 2x AZ State Champ

William George, Chicago Bears – 2x PA State Champ

Charlie Getty, RG, Kansas City Chiefs – 2x NCAA All-American

John Gilmore, TE, Chicago Bears

Kevin Glover, C, Detroit Lions

La’Roi Glover, DE, Dallas Cowboys

Mike Goff, G, Cincinnati Bengals

Bob Golic, DT, Cleveland Browns – OH State Champ

Mike Golic, DE, Philadelphia Eagles

Darien Gordon, PR/CB, Denver Broncos

Scottie Graham, RB, Minnesota Vikings

Tim Green, DE, Atlanta Falcons

Kelly Gregg, NT, Baltimore Ravens, 3x KS State Champ

Morlon Greenwood, OLB, Miami Dolphins

Archie Griffin, HB, Cincinnati Bengals

Nick Griesen, LB, New York Giants

Randy Grossman, TE, Pittsburgh Steelers

John Hannah, G, New England Patriots

John Hartunian

Carlton Haselrig, Pittsburgh Steelers, 3x NCAA Champ

Ron Heller, TE, Seattle Seahawks

Chad Hennings, DT, Dallas Cowboys – IA State Champ

Jay Hilgenberg, C, Chicago Bears – IA State Runner-Up

Orlando Huff, MLB, Seattle Seahawks

Corey Hulsy, G, Oakland Raiders

Steve Wisniewski, G, Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders - CA State Champ

Bo Jackson, RB, Oakland Raiders


Mario Johnson, DT, New England Patriots

Dahanie Jones, LB, New York Giants

Henry Jordan, DT, Green Bay Packers

Dave Joyner, OL, Green Bay Packers

John Jurkovich*, DT, Cleveland Browns

Alex Karras, Detroit Lions

Tim Krumrie, DL, Cincinnati Bengals – WI State Champ

Ernie Ladd, DL, Kansas City Chiefs

Nick Lecky, C, - KS State Champ (in 2004 NFL Draft)

Jess Lewis, LB, Houston Oilers

Ray Lewis, Baltimore Ravens – 2x FL State Champ


Kirk Lowdermilk, OL, Minnesota Vikings

Sean Mahan, G, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Mike Malczyk, LS, New York Giants

Joel Mackavicka, RB, Seattle Seahawks

Steve Martin, DT, Houston Texans

Mickey Marvin, RG, Oakland Raiders

Napolean McCallum, RB, Oakland Raiders

Randle McDaniel, G, Minnesota Vikings

Mark McDonald, SS, Arizona Cardinals

Chris McIntosh, T, Seattle Seahawks

Bryant McKinnie, T. Minnesota Vikings

Greg Meisner, DL, Los Angeles Rams

Matt Millen, LB, Oakland Raiders

Ronald Moore, RB, Cleveland Browns

James Mungro, HB, Indianapolis Colts

Jim Nance, FB, New England Patriots – NCAA Champ

Lorenzo Neal, FB, Tennessee Titans - NCAA Champ

Stephen Neal, OL, New England Patriots – NCAA Champ

Jeremy Newberry, C, San Francisco 49’ers

Chuck Noll, Pittsburgh Steelers – PA State Champ

Leo Nomellini, T, San Francisco 49’ers – Big 10 Champ

Jonathan Ogden*, OT, Baltimore Ravens

Irv Pankey, Los Angeles Rams – 2x MD State Champ

David Patten, WR, New England Patriots

Scott Peters, G, New York Giants

Bob Pickens, OL, Chicago Bears

Jim Plunkett, QB, Oakland Raiders

Dave Porter, T, Green Bay Packers

Mike Pyle, C, Chicago Bears – IA State Champ

Rocky Rasley, G, Detroit Lions

Mike Reid, Cincinnati Bengals

Eric Rhett, RB, Cleveland Browns – FL State Champ

Willie Roaf, OT, New Orleans Saints

Warren Sapp, DT Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Oakland Raiders - FL State Champ


Mark Schlereth, OL, Washington Redskins - Alaska State Champ

Cory Schlesinger, LB, Detroit Lions - NE State Champ

Steve Sefter, DT, Philadelphia Eagles, 2x PA State Champ & NCAA All-American

Tony Siragusa, DT, Baltimore Ravens – NJ State Champ

Fred Smerlas, Buffalo Bills - MA State Champ

Bruce Smith, DE, Washington Redskins

Brad St. Louis, TE, Cincinnati Bengals

Matt Suhey, RB, Chicago Bears

Bill Szott, OL, Washington Redskins – NJ State Champ

Dave Szott, Kansas City Chiefs – NJ State Champ

Woody Thompson, RB, Atlanta Falcons – PA State Champ

Jim Thorpe, HB, New York Giants

Mike Trgovac, DC, Carolina Panthers – OH State Champ

Kyle Turley, T, St. Louis Rams

Ryan Turnbull, RB, Cleveland Browns

Tommy Vardell, RB, San Francisco 49’ers

Adam Vinatieri, K, New England Patriots

John Ward, OL, New York Jets – NCAA All-American

Fred Weary, DB, St. Louis Rams

Charles White, HB, Los Angeles Rams

Randy White, DT, Dallas Cowboys

Cory Widmer, LB, New York Giants

Leo Wisniewski, NT, Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts - PA State Champ

Ricky Williams, RB, Miami Dolphins


Coy Wire, LB, Buffalo Bills – PA State Runner-Up

Greg Wojochowski, St. Louis Rams

Shane Olivea

Alex Stepanovich

Nick Leckey - TX State Champ

Gregory Walker - State Finalist

Jonathan Condo

Zachary Wilson

Chris Laskowski

Luis Castillo, DT, San Diego Chargers (First Round Pick)

Lincoln "Drew" Hodgdon, C, Houston Texans - CA State Champ

Nick Hardwick

Fred Weary, C, Houston Texans - AL State Champ

Coy Wire, SS, Buffalo Bills - PA State Champ

Kevin Breedlove - SC State Finalist

Kevin Sampson - NJ State Champ

Benjamin Claxton - GA State Finalist

Trevor Johnson

Clinton "C.J." Brooks, Jr.

Tai Tupai

Leon Robinson - GA State Runner-Up

Roddy White, WR, Atlanta Falcons - 2x SC State Champ (First Round Pick)

Eric Ghiaciuc, C, Cincinatti Bengals - MI State Champ

Joey Hildbold

Adam Seward, ILB, Carolina Panthers - NV State Champ

Cody Johnson

Rodney Michael

Marques Harris - CO State Champ

Larry Turner

Andrew "Tyler" Lenda - District Champ

Tim Anderson - OH State Champ

Tony Pape

Matt Roth - IA State Champ

Mike Patterson, DT, Philadelphia Eagles (First Round Pick)

David Pollack

Tim Burrough - OK State Champ

Antoineo Harris - IL State Champ

Claude Harriott

Scott Wells - TN State Champ

Alex Lewis - District Champ

Ronnie Brown, RB, Miami Dolphins (#2 Pick)

Rodney Leisle

Nick Newton

Sean Tufts

Brian Save

Kevin Atkins

Josh Minkins - District Runner-up

Tim Euhus

Andrew Tidwell-Neal - MN State Champ

Renaldo Works

Patrick "Bucky" Babcock - IL State Champ

Morgan Pears

Art Baker, RB, Buffalo Bills

 

[dragonclaw]

The GOAT is the fighter who makes the most $$$ in the sport, and nobody even comes close to the Notorious here.

We are talking over $100 milly net worth compared to guys with like net worth's of like 1 milly or 3 milly, haha, bums.