GSP - Intermittent Fasting Changed My Life

[JonesBones]

Thanks TS,

This topic really interests me.

I consider myself a pretty intuitive guy and intermittent fasting makes sense to me in the type of time ratios you speak of. I could see only eating between noon and 6pm and not eating the next 18 hours. That almost certainly aligns with our evolutionary eating habits.

I am still not at all sold on regular fasting (not eating for X days) providing the proper type of long term benefits and i think intuitively it is easy to see why it would be bad and send the wrong signals to the body and metabolism.

So TS, what hours are you allowing yourself to eat and do you break from that when you are outside your home routine and say, out on a date or with friends and/or work colleagues??

Science is not intuitive. How is it good for blood sugar levels? How much of your prey do you chase?

Followers of the paleo philosophy claim to draw their nutritional guidelines from Neanderthals. But stark differences in geography and agriculture, thousands of years of evolution, and a contemporary food industry stand in the way. Mounting evidence, including a recent study that analyzed dental plaque from the Paleolithic time period, confirms that grains, tubers, and sugary fruits were staples despite modern-day adherents avoiding carbs at all costs. Read on to see how a real paleo plate around the globe would have looked and how you can make a few tweaks to your paleo philosophy for major health benefits.

Proponents of the Paleo diet follow a nutritional plan based on the eating habits of our ancestors in the Paleolithic period, between 2.5 million and 10,000 years ago. Before agriculture and industry, humans presumably lived as hunter–gatherers: picking berry after berry off of bushes; digging up tumescent tubers; chasing mammals to the point of exhaustion; scavenging meat, fat and organs from animals that larger predators had killed; and eventually learning to fish with lines and hooks and hunt with spears, nets, bows and arrows.

 

[TapMachine]

you actually just said exactly what I said, but you didn't even realize it because you don't know what you're arguing. the study you just provided proved my point-- alternate day fasting provided weight loss even without calorie restriction. The study also doesn't show what types of foods each person is eating, their macro/micro balances, etc. You should read more and try to sound less obnoxious.

The study also provided proof that itnermitent fasting actually has a negative effect on your cardiovascular disease risk markers. You should read more and try to sound less obnoxious.

 

[Wormwood]

I'm not gonna fast for a 2-pack (isn't that a rapper, btw)?

In terms of rappers, my body is more akin to Biggie....

 

[EXOICHO]

The study also provided proof that itnermitent fasting actually has a negative effect on your cardiovascular disease risk markers. You should read more and try to sound less obnoxious.

if they aren't controlling WHAT food both sides are eating for the entire duration (which they didn't), then the results are meaningless in terms of disease predictors. Again, read more and try to use your brain to analyze something, don't just say "THIS PROVES WHAT IM SAYING YOU'RE DUMB"

 

[MikeMcMann]

This is a stupid diet and breakfast is the most important, and should be the biggest meal of the day. No to fad extremist diets. Garbage bro science. It's a really stupid idea that kills your metabolism. You should be eating many small meals throughout the day even if not hungry. You are hurting your body with these ridiculous blood sugar spikes and the duration between them.

In conclusion, there really are a number of reasons as to why breakfast should be considered the most important meal of the day. The decision about if and what to eat and drink at the start of the day has been shown to have some profound effects on our health, well-being, and cognitive performance.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878450X17300045

Ahh, this is such an interesting topic to me.

most of what is in that article makes sense to me and I agree.

I guess I kind of do a minor form of intermittent fasting now as I basically have my breakfast around 7am and try to not eat anything after 7pm, which is a 12 hour, no eat, window. And yes i eat a very healthy breakfast (typically loaded up oatmeal), lunch is typically my biggest meal (protein (usually seafood, and veg and maybe a rice or whole grain pasta) and dinner is typically a big salad or veg with a small portion of protein. If I want a snack in between its usually something like popcorn with a touch of Olive Oil and Cayenne pepper sprinkled over it.

I could easily move that breakfast to 8 or even 9am (eat at my desk at work) and pull back that dinner to 6pm which would mean eating across 9 hours of the day and not eating thru 15 hours. that would not be that challenging for me.

 

[SammyPops]

Don't you get really hungry?

 

[scottjoebob]

Want to lose weight? STOP FUCKING EATING FATASS

Thats kinda what he did

 

[EXOICHO]

Don't you get really hungry?

No. Humans naturally never ate 3 meals a day.. think about it. Part of why you get hungry is because of your insulin spikes. The more your insulin spikes, the more you can eat. That's largely why you can eat 6 pieces of cake without being full, but two chicken breasts will fill you up. Insulin reaches baseline while you're fasting, and your body essentially doesn't get hungry until it has a reason to spike. Even people on multi-day fasts report that they stop feeling hungry for entire days at a time (I don't recommend that, but it goes further to prove the point).

 

[JonesBones]

Ahh, this is such an interesting topic to me.

most of what is in that article makes sense to me and I agree.

I guess I kind of do a minor form of intermittent fasting now as I basically have my breakfast around 7am and try to not eat anything after 7pm, which is a 12 hour, no eat, window. And yes i eat a very healthy breakfast (typically loaded up oatmeal), lunch is typically my biggest meal (protein (usually seafood, and veg and maybe a rice or whole grain pasta) and dinner is typically a big salad or veg with a small portion of protein. If I want a snack in between its usually something like popcorn with a touch of Olive Oil and Cayenne pepper sprinkled over it.

I could easily move that breakfast to 8 or even 9am (eat at my desk at work) and pull back that dinner to 6pm which would mean eating across 9 hours of the day and not eating thru 15 hours. that would not be that challenging for me.

There is a book by a sleep specialist and MD on the power of WHEN. We often talk about what to eat or what to do. But not when. When is everything. You could eat the same calories, but at different times, have different effects. He says breakfast should be the biggest meal of the day and all meals after should get progressively smaller. And we have social jet lag. Our internal clocks are all messed up. Take a cat for example and try to get him to go to bed or get up at a certain time. Never happen. They obey their internal clocks. We are surrounded by artificial light all night and day. It is mainly a book about sleep and the hormone interplay and how diet can help. People are also different. Some people are early risers and it has been shown their cortisol starts to rise earlier than others. They have clear heads quicker. They do their best work before noon. Some don't reach their mental peak till late afternoon. A tired mind is better for creativity but a woke one is better for heavy lifting.

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

in high school i did some event called 30 hour famine, a fundraising type event, and remember being amazed at how after that first wave of hunger goes away, i just wasn't really hungry until many hours later.

 

[ClosetVitorFan]

I do the same crap. Yesterday I ate an entire pizza tho for my one meal. Usually I cheat on that Sunday. But I do this quite often with the 1 meal a day. Plan to today.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Oh, phlese. There's a bunch of research on the topic and far from everything out there paints a positive picture. Take this one, for example:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2623528

Effect of Alternate-Day Fasting on Weight Loss, Weight Maintenance, and Cardioprotection Among Metabolically Healthy Obese Adults

Question: Is alternate-day fasting more effective for weight loss and weight maintenance compared with daily calorie restriction?

Findings: This randomized clinical trial included 100 metabolically healthy obese adults. Weight loss after 1 year in the alternate-day fasting group (6.0%) was not significantly different from that of the daily calorie restriction group (5.3%), relative to the no-intervention control group.

Results: "Mean high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels at month 6 significantly increased among the participants in the alternate-day fasting group, but not at month 12, relative to those in the daily calorie restriction group. Mean low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels were significantly elevated by month 12 among the participants in the alternate-day fasting group compared with those in the daily calorie restriction group."

Note how fasting patients had their LDL levels actually elevated, which is actually bad, since the ratio of HDL and LDL is a cardiovascular risk disease marker.

The takeaway: don't stuff your fookin' face and you won't need any fad "diets" or dubious fasting methods, lmao.

your insulin in your body manages much of your body's energy management as well. If your insulin is constantly spiking, your body isn't burning as much body fat as it could be for example. If you're interested in this stuff, I'd highly recommend looking up Dr. Jason Fung. He's the doctor that introduced GSP to the idea and he has a lot of interesting science to back up what he says.

Interesting stuff guys thx.

I like to read a lot of views but typically try to avoid anyone who is an "advocate" for any one view as I know you can find as much science to quote as you want on any side of this issue. So i prefer studies where it appears there was no preference bias going in.


I think we can all agree that anything that makes the normal person 'think about' their diet each and every day is a good thing, whether it be Intermittent Fasting or Lots of Small Meals, or '3 square meals a day' all of which you can find material saying is the best plan.

I think what matters is that people focus on what they eat and exhibit a modicum of self restraint and control, which all these diets require one to do and which most people just do not.

 

[Ying Li]

I'm going to try the 6 hour eating window for 30 days. Need to drop 20lbs and reduce some inflammation.

 

[EXOICHO]

Interesting stuff guys thx.

I like to read a lot of views but typically try to avoid anyone who is an "advocate" for any one view as I know you can find as much science to quote as you want on any side of this issue. So i prefer studies where it appears there was no preference bias going in.


I think we can all agree that anything that makes the normal person 'think about' their diet each and every day is a good thing, whether it be Intermittent Fasting or Lots of Small Meals, or '3 square meals a day' all of which you can find material saying is the best plan.

I think what matters is that people focus on what they eat and exhibit a modicum of self restraint and control, which all these diets require one to do and which most people just do not.

You're absolutely right, and although I'm advocating for intermittent fasting due to my own experience with it, I'm obviously not saying you can't be healthy without it or anything. If you're willing to prep 3 meals a day with great macronutrients and micronutrients that's amazing too. But I don't think there will ever be a one-size-fits-all diet, and the people who are vehemently ANTI intermittent fasting are often far more biased, in my opinion--- Most people who have tried intermittent fasting have already eaten the traditional way and found it didn't work for them. Most people who are vehemently anti-Intermittent fasting have never even tried it for themselves.

At the end of the day, Obviously, if you're eating the right foods, regardless of when, you're going to be fine.

 

[RudimarChute]

I do IF too it really works.

 

[Viking Power]

I’d love to try it but it’s suppossed to be bad if you have gout and bad in general for your kidneys.

 

[MikeMcMann]

Science is not intuitive. How is it good for blood sugar levels? How much of your prey do you chase?

Followers of the paleo philosophy claim to draw their nutritional guidelines from Neanderthals. But stark differences in geography and agriculture, thousands of years of evolution, and a contemporary food industry stand in the way. Mounting evidence, including a recent study that analyzed dental plaque from the Paleolithic time period, confirms that grains, tubers, and sugary fruits were staples despite modern-day adherents avoiding carbs at all costs. Read on to see how a real paleo plate around the globe would have looked and how you can make a few tweaks to your paleo philosophy for major health benefits.

Proponents of the Paleo diet follow a nutritional plan based on the eating habits of our ancestors in the Paleolithic period, between 2.5 million and 10,000 years ago. Before agriculture and industry, humans presumably lived as hunter–gatherers: picking berry after berry off of bushes; digging up tumescent tubers; chasing mammals to the point of exhaustion; scavenging meat, fat and organs from animals that larger predators had killed; and eventually learning to fish with lines and hooks and hunt with spears, nets, bows and arrows.

Science may not be intuitive but our comprehension of it can be.

For instance it seems intuitively reasonable to me that practicing long term fasting might provide short term benefits (weight loss) but causes long term challenges in that it can lead to a greater propensity to store weight when you are not fasting and eating regularly.

We evolved as a people in most locations were Feast and Famine where common cycles. to combat the Famine our bodies became very efficient at learning how to store fat during Feast periods and people were generally seen as healthier who could store fat (rubenesque women) . Even our metabolisms adapted to slow to try and hold on to precious calories now that we may need later. the more an area goes through cycles of extreme fast/famine the more propensity you see for the body to store weight when food is available and thus the problem with African woman tendency towards obesity when food is abundant.

thankfully in modern history such cycles of famine are not common in the first world. But we can trick the body into believing they are via multi day fasts. again you may lose weight while you fast but you are telling your body we are again in times of feast and famine and you better remember how to store fat when we get it and to lower the metabolism to hold on to it. All things I do not want to trigger in my body and why i will not fast.

Intermittent fasting does not have the same peril as I do not think throughout history our bodies evolved to be eating most of the day anyway.

 

[ThunderL1ps]

Questions for intermittent fasters: Is this a lifestyle for you, or do you do this on and off? Also, what are some benefits that you personally have seen for yourself?

You can do it as you need to. For example if you want to enjoy a holiday meal binge, have at it. But that is the exception to the rule.

Since I did the intermittent fasting combined with low carb/moderate protein/high fat type diet (glycemic index diet) , I lost 30 pounds in two months in 2017. A doctor I was seeing for concussion issues puts all his clients on that diet to reduce inflammation. I wasn't even working out at the time and I lost that amount. I should probably not have coffee during my fasting period ( i tend to agree with Dr. Patrick that your liver becomes involved) but I am too much of an addict.

Your first week of doing this will be an adjustment. Show some willpower and you'll find that you will be rewarded.

 

[TapMachine]

if they aren't controlling WHAT food both sides are eating for the entire duration (which they didn't), then the results are meaningless in terms of disease predictors. Again, read more and try to use your brain to analyze something, don't just say "THIS PROVES WHAT IM SAYING YOU'RE DUMB"

After getting better acquainted with the document, it seems that the earlier post you've made is pure nonsense.

the study you just provided proved my point-- alternate day fasting provided weight loss even without calorie restriction

This is wrong. Both groups reduced their energy intake by 25%, just by different means. You didn't even read the document. You've just tried to throw some shit at me in hopes that it sticks, except it didn't, because I actually took the time to read the research. You sound like one of those retarded diet cultists peddling their snake oil to vulnerable people, lmao.

 

[beastman]

I’d love to try it but it’s suppossed to be bad if you have gout and bad in general for your kidneys.

With gout I think you are supposed to avoid a Keto diet because of the amount of fat you are taking in.