Greg Hardy is already a top 10 HW. Let’s put feelings aside and be real here

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  1. Hard To Tell

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    Guys like Brendan Schaub and Travis Browne, low level athletes who failed in their preferred sports, can take up MMA in their mid twenties with no prior combat sport experience and become top contenders in the UFC heavyweight division within a very short space of time. Some of you guys seriously underestimate how poor MMA heavyweights are compared to big athletes in other sports. Even the current champ is only where he is because he wasn't good enough to play baseball.
     
  2. MusterX

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    Herschel Walker in his prime was a physical specimen and legit A level athlete. The guy decided to just test himself with a couple MMA fights when he was 48-49 years old and went 2-0. He still looked like this. Hard to say how he might have done if he started fighting in his 20's. I'm with you though, we can't judge fighting on any other criteria than actual fighting. Some NFL guys would be great, others would not.

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    Hardy specifically said in his post-fight interview he's not on the level yet, based on his experiences sparring in camp.
     
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    Agree with you. Lesnar would fare better than most. He had perhaps the best base for mixed martial arts, he was an NCAA championship wrestler. That's why he became a champion, and CM Punk looks ridiculous.
     
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    Tuivasa is only 25 years old. I think your wrong about his ceiling here. The guy could turn out to be extremely good in the long run. He's already 8-0.
     
  6. MikeMcMann

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    MMA is still a young sport and we do not get the level of 'athlete' other sports do so you have less skilled guys with heart, generally making it to the top ranks. It has always been the case in MMA that big body with even decent skills and no prior MMA or fighting experience could walk into MMA at HW and get tot he top ranks rather easily. Yes it is more so now however.

    No they are really not comparable at all. You are not getting true walk ons in any major sport (NFL, boxing, etc) with no prior experience in the sport getting to the top ranks of the sport. We get Costco tire changers (Rogers) and other big heavy handed guys (Ngannou) who just would not be able to do in other sports what they did in MMA.
     
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  7. Johnny_Knuckles

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    A level athlete is probably the shittest sherdog meme.
     
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    If Overeem and Lesnar are not A level heavyweights then no one is IMO. Lesnar entered the game late but got by on his outstanding wrestling background and being fast for his size. Overeem has done it all despite not having the best chin. K-1, Strikeforce, Dream, Abu Dhabi, almost UFC champ. Let’s see how Hardy takes a shot or how he fights off his back before we classify him as a future champ. A level football yes but let’s see where it goes.
     
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    LOL and what happens if he faces a decent wrestler?

    Ridiculous to say he's a Top 10 HW.
     
  10. Final Say

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    Athleticism is far down the list of necessary or even relevant traits to being a fighter.

    'A-Level athleticism', which started as a joke and a meme on this website, guarantees you absolutely zero success in fighting.

    JJ Watt could dedicate the next five years of his life to MMA and still not crack the HW top ten.
    light heavyweight is and has been weaker than heavyweight for years
     
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    When Rumble, GSP, Nick Diaz etc.say they hate fighting, I still dont consider their mentality as average joe's. It just sounds they can experience those same feelings before the fight, anciety, fear etc. but they somehow have the ability to completely block them out when the fight starts. A vast majority of the people couldn't. I dont know if its genetic or what, but it is something completely different than athleticism, even if there probably are some correlation.
     
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    Reem needed a Ronnie Coleman-esque stack of juice just to get to 260lbs. Hardy is already 25lbs bigger than a prime juiced Ubereem but also faster, stronger, better cardio, and probably has a far better chin.
     
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    Disagree. LHW had/has guys like Rumble Johnson, Gustaffson, Jon Jones, DC, Teixeira. I agree it isn't the strongest division but the elite lhw's are far more skilled than any hw fighter
     
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    Is this still the USADA era?

    People will be tuning out, not in, hoping he gets knocked out.

    You'll see..
     
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    Wait, so dude KO's some top 100 fighter in his pro debut, and he's a top ten HW now?

    Let him gain some experience first but I would bet against him if he fought anybody in the top 15 right now. Let him get skills first.
     
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    You crazy. Look at his amateur fight. Looks like a novice.
     
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    Dude is a life long martial artist,5th degree bb in TKD,trained mma for many years to stay in shape,officially announced he would be fighting in 2007 before finally starting his 2 fight stint in 2010 training with arguably the best camp in the world at the time.You're downplaying it quite a bit but he was a monster for his age and pro mma experience.Plus he's fricken Hershel Walker so it was just cool af,but he didn't just decide to all of a sudden have 2 fights with no or very little mma training.

    As far as the Hardy hype lol,were going to have to hear this shit all the time now =/ A-level athlete bro,champ in 12 days of mma training if he wanted.
     
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  18. Final Say

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    And heavyweight has Curtis Blaydes, Volkov, Overeem, Ngannou, JDS... much stronger top five imo
     
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    Ok, Colby. I agree with you.
     
  20. MikeMcMann

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    This is one of the more ignorant things a fan of MMA can think.

    Every aspect of Athleticism, toughness, heart, balance, coordination, reflexes, strength, conditioning, that athletes have to exhibit to make it into the top ranks of their chosen sport, is meaningful in fighting.

    This is the fallacy right here.

    NOTHING guarantees you anything in any sport including fighting so using that as a bar is meaningless.

    What we can be certain is that if 100 A-Level Athletes enter MMA training with top camps and 100 people from all groups who are not all A-Level Athletes entered MMA along similar lines there would be vastly more from the A-Level Athlete camp making it in MMA than the other. No one should doubt that.



    Sure. We have seen the same for individual top BJJ or Wrestlers as well. Some of the most decorated in those sports could not cut it in MMA. So that means nothing.
     
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