Greg Hardy is already a top 10 HW. Let’s put feelings aside and be real here

I`m genuinely wondering whether you`re above the age of 12 or not at this point.
 
Lesnar was fine getting hit to the face, relatively speaking. Almost every NFL player would look far more ridiculous than Lesnar while eating punches. Only people who have never trained and sparred fail to understand this.
I've sparred average Joes, a few pro Muay Thai fighters, and rugby players here in Australia who had little to no training, and trust me when I tell you that they're fine with getting hit in the face. American football has also been scientifically proven to be a more violent sport than rugby.
 
No, he's not. He might be able to beat some top 10 fighters so go ahead and compare him to them, but you can't call anyone a top 10 fighter with 1-0 record. Let's be real.
 
Sigh, oh sherdog. You guys see one knock out and we are already on "best HW ever OMG OMG". Greg Hardy has speed and power and the potential to be a star, but lets cool it a bit. His opponent was compleatly out of position on that one. Tai has MUCH better fundamentals that gregs opponent, it would be at least a 50 / 50 fight. And if KO power was everything - why isnt Nganu champion right now?
 
A-level athletes are great & all but MMA has so many variables & so many ways to lose that being some genetic freak doesn't automatically make you a champ.

The fact that he's in ATT is a good sign & hopefully working on his complete game, down the line we may be looking at a future star but lets not talk about chucking him in the top ten which as shallow as it is right now is an ocean by comparison of who he's fighting now.
 
Tuivasa fanboys detected. Or bitter nerds still upset about Colby/RDA.

Tuivasa's rise for me is a sign of HW's decline, he's the kind of guy who would have been top 20ish in the past IMHO.
 
They both looked terrible. Dudes going to get starched if they put him in there with anyone in the top 20.
 
I've sparred average Joes, a few pro Muay Thai fighters, and rugby players here in Australia who had little to no training, and trust me when I tell you that they're fine with getting hit in the face. American football has also been scientifically proven to be a more violent sport than rugby.

I dont doubt there can be some correlation between NFL athletes and that kind of right mentality. Its just that people here in these discussions view it as a non factor, like all you need is athleticism and you have all the potential if you just train. It just doesn't work like that, MMA is a very unique sport. The ability to enjoy fighting enough that you are willing to do it for a living is far more rare than people seem to think.
 
I dont doubt there can be some correlation between NFL athletes and that kind of right mentality. Its just that people here in these discussions view it as a non factor, like all you need is athleticism and you have all the potential if you just train. It just doesn't work like that, MMA is a very unique sport. The ability to enjoy fighting enough that you are willing to do it for a living is far more rare than people seem to think.
That's a very sensible stance to take, and I agree to an extent, but keep in mind that Rumble has said that he "hated fighting", and only did it because he was a good athlete and it came to him naturally. So he basically showed up for a paycheck like most 9-5ers. GSP has also echoed similar sentiments.
 
I don't even know who the hell Greg Hardy is, even less Trai Tuivasa. I know it's my fault but this HW division is so trash I don't even bother.

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Let’s be honest, Greg Hardy would KO Tai Tuivasa next month if they fought. And Tai is supposed to be the best HW prospect in the ufc currently (Blaydes is already a legit contender).


Morals and character aside, Greg is a legit A-level athlete and might be the first legit A-level guy to enter the UFC in his physical prime. 29 years old. Plus he is training at ATT already.

Only guys who can give him trouble are Blaydes or Stipe with their elite wrestling . Maybe Ngannou..but remember Hardy comes from the NFL so he probably already has better cardio than Ngannou, plus a better supplement regimen.

UFC is desperate for PPV sales and people will tune in to hope to see Hardy get KTFO. They will fast track him to a title shot by helping him avoid elite wrestlers on the way up.

Greg Hardy will challenge for the UFC HW title before 2019 ends. Calling it now.
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Greg Hardy will always lose to the Stipes and Frances and Jons because they possess certain athletic gifts suited to mma, combined with a lifetime more training and experience.

But he can beat everyone else.

As for what he did to that chick, if you look at the case, he obviously is guilty. But I just personally don’t care.
 
In today's HW division you just need to be big and a little bit athletic to be a top contender. It's been the weakest division for years now
Well, You could make the case that "In today's NFL you just need to be big and a little bit athletic to be a top player...". Many of these guys are not exactly all-around athletes.
 
A-level athlete apologists are in denial of the fact that only a very small percentage of NFL players or athletes in other sports would have the mental requirements to be a cage fighter. Greg Hardy does not represent your average NFL player, he represents those very few who has the mentality to be ok getting hit to the face.

What you say is true but incomplete.

Yes only a small percentage of any group would have the mental requirements for fighting.

But EVEN less people outside the A-level Athletes would have those mental requirements.

So if you took 100 A-Level athletes and 100 people from the group that was everyone but the A Level athletes you would have far more A level Athletes cutting it as top fighters than in the other group. VASTLY more.
 
Well, You could make the case that "In today's NFL you just need to be big and a little bit athletic to be a top player...". Many of these guys are not exactly all-around athletes.

I'm not familiar with the NFL at all. There are actually good athletes in the UFC. Just not in the upper divisions, for the most part. HW used to be a good division 14 or so years ago and today a lot of the top HW's are still the same old guys that competed 15 years ago. That should tell you all. Something happened along the way. A guy like Mark Hunt isn't still top 10 because he evolved. He fights the same way he did 20 years ago only slower and stiffer and yet still is #6. HW division is a complete joke
 
No doubt... A-Level. But let's see him vs a top 100 opponent first.
^this.

Not every top cross over will automatically succeed in fighting. Many of the top decorated wrestlers and top BJJ guys failed while lesser guys succeeded. And that is because not everyone has ALL of the aspects to be a great fighter but some may have a few that can make a splash.

So no one should ever judge a sports cross over ability via a few individuals. You need lots to attempt to cross over before a number of them will separate themselves as having all the elements to be great at fighting

Look at someone like Matt Hughes who was a good but not great Collage wrestler and who had far more success in MMA than other more highly decorated wrestlers. That is how it works. You need lots to find the ones.
 
Absolutely. MMA hardcores are in denial if they really think that the best physical specimens for fighting are currently in the UFC. Keep in mind that Hardy ain't even the best guy for MMA; I think JJ Watt is physically superior to Hardy in every way.

Jon Jones has said something similar in the past about his older brother being able to destroy Cain Velasquez (who was champ back then) pretty easily, despite not having any MMA training.

This

Michael Chiesa can do all the jitsu he likes but put him against someone like Julio Jones and it won’t be pretty
 
Lets not jump the gun. It was his pro debut. He will be a solid fighter but still lots to work on.
 
Hardy would make Tai consider taking his athletic career serious and dropping to 205lbs.

Hardy would have Tai drinking through a straw instead of a boot when he’s through with him.

I've seen many prospects come along over the years that look amazing until they fight UFC caliber opponents and then they don't look so amazing anymore. Maybe this guy is legit but I wouldn't judge it on a Tuesday night fight for sure.
 
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Absolutely. MMA hardcores are in denial if they really think that the best physical specimens for fighting are currently in the UFC. Keep in mind that Hardy ain't even the best guy for MMA; I think JJ Watt is physically superior to Hardy in every way.

Jon Jones has said something similar in the past about his older brother being able to destroy Cain Velasquez (who was champ back then) pretty easily, despite not having any MMA training.

No MMA hardcores realize it takes much more than being a specimen to climb to the top of MMA.

Yeah Jones wouldn't be biased towards... his... brother? LOL Velasquez would smash him. You sound clueless.
 
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