Grand Jury report on Catholic Church sex abuse in Pennsylvania

[Leagon]

I was raised catholic too so I know the bullshit they say....and even though I wasn't super religious, I felt pressure....We can't compare that pressure to what they feel at all.

A lot of these guys were young, were full of hormones and were indoctrinated to be abstinent.....it's completely different than simply being raised catholic IMO.

When you add that pressure...You add the suppression of sex, which is a human need IMO...I think you start going down a very very bad path....Im not saying all priest did this, but I think it happen to many of the pedo ones.

Im sure some Pedos joined exactly for the reasons you said...they already had it planned and saw it as being easy as fuck....But I don't think every one of them were like that when they first started...Perhaps the Pedo Priest gave the sexually frustrated Priests, advice to fuck kids and that's why we have this Pedo culture in the church?

That's what I'm saying. I WAS raised super religious. I spent my horniest years celibate. It's really not that big a deal. You jerk off. Or you don't. At no point does "hmm, should I fuck a child" enter into the picture.

I can't say that the Church has a surprising amount of pedos. Think about how many pedos are in the general population and the fact that, out of all the jobs on earth, the priesthood is the only job the actually disallows you from having sex with adults. More likely, you have a few pedos who climbed the ranks and let other pedos know they could act with impunity.

Now, people can be convinced of anything, so I think it is possible that some pedos created a culture in which they encouraged regular priests to do pedo stuff. Stranger things have happened.

But I don't buy that normal straight guys jist raped kids out of pent up sexuality. When straight men get horny, they look at porn or fuck prostitutes. When it comes to fucking kids or animals or stuff like that, it's a sexual orientation.

 

[Ripskater]

@Truth

I’ve always wondered why

I’ve heard recently the reason is land, if a priest had a wife and kids, they would inherit the land when he died, obviously not in modern times, but back when they made the rule

I don't know, but what you say makes sense.

 

[Squarechoke]

It feels very far fetched that their desires to be with women would, when "forced" into celibacy, lead to them seeking sexual experiences with children. You'd think they'd just break their vow of celibacy with women if that's what they are attracted to.

I can't see any logic in pent up heterosexual need leading to molesting children.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Are there more pedo priests than other professions though? The real scandal is the cover up. If these guys were all caught and paid at the time they were caught it would probably just be local stories. I mean it's what 300 dudes this time around when there are probably millions of priests around the world.

 

[HereticBD]

The Church's big error is not in forcing all new clergy to confess this sinful desire the minute they enter the clergy. Make them confess in a way that makes them believe it is the path to avoiding the desire. Once they out themselves of having that predilection ship them off to the most remote and kid free area of the church in some foreign country mountain top.

That's a LOT of "honor rule" shit that could easily be bypassed by someone. How are they gonna force anyone to admit to that shit? Really? There are human instincts involved in this whole thing, and nobody right out of the gate is gonna be all "Wellll, there is a certain something you should know about me..."

Can they investigate, report, and punish those who partake in pedophilia when they become aware of it though? Hell yes. It's really not too much to ask that they don't cover for kid diddlers, once they become aware of it.

 

[Ripskater]

Whoa! Where did @TheComebackKid 's post go? I was about to reply to it.

TCK brings up a good point, I too believe there is something Satanic going on inside the Catholic Church.

 

[all caps]

Whoa! Where did @TheComebackKid 's post go? I was about to reply to it.

TCK brings up a good point, I too believe there is something Satanic going on inside the Catholic Church.

I'm going to beat this into the ground but I'm very gotten to that Alex Jones is being silenced, for calling out the satanic goblin pedophiles. People just hate truth.

 

[Spoken]

Curious what Sherbros think, especially since there's the ongoing Pennsylvania scandal.

No. No correlation between pedophila and normative relationships, which means being in a relationship doesn’t curb anything.

It’s about structures, and an old culture that didn’t start their ministries with the psychological tools we have today. Essentially, younger priests have less of these issues because they no longer see the church as a way to fix weird desires. More therapy, more awarness, more law enforcement on the issue means less people trying to fix the issue with religion.

 

[luckyshot]

There is no evidence that priests commit sexual abuse in higher numbers than any other group that is in a position of power and works with young people.

Sexual abuse is not more pervasive in the Catholic Church than in other institutions: parents, teachers, Scout masters, uncles, coaches, doctors, prison guards, child welfare workers, pimps, Johns, “sexual tourists” all exploit, manipulate or abuse young people sexually.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...gy-sexual-abuse-in-the-catholic-church?page=1

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/16/AR2010041602026.html

This is NOT to exculpate the Church. But unfortunately, young people are sexually abused in every cross section and institution of society.

So, no, I don’t think eliminating celibacy for priests would “cure” it. It would help end the shortage of priests, though, for sure.

 

[MiniCraque]

What if same sex relationships were allowed as well? If not, does the priesthood attract pedophiles due to abundance of children? Teachers don't have this problem.

Dude this is a huuuuge problem with teachers... much worse than it is with clergy...

 

[TidWell]

Just some fun knowledge
When Did the Catholic Church Decide Priests Should Be Celibate?
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/696

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Curious what Sherbros think, especially since there's the ongoing Pennsylvania scandal.

thats pretty much a no-brainer imo.

the "profession" might also attract more normal people.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I disagree.

Look at Prison...You can't tell me a shitload of those guys were gay/rapist before prison.....They were in an environment, where a man's asshole is the closest thing to pussy...So what happens? You start doing gay shit.

Samething with religion.....I bet a lot of these guys were 100% committed to not having sex and bought into the religious dogma...What happened? You have pinned up emotions, etc and children are vulnerable enough that people won't believe them or they simply won't say anything, thus shit like this happened( They didn't start fucking full grown women/men, because that would be harder, and a huge risk for their job)..........I really doubt many of those dudes, were these sick fucks before religion and joined it because they saw it will be easy to fuck children...Im sure some did, but most didn't.


Sex is a human need IMO, atleast for most people...If you deny that, you start going down some crazy road IMO.

They are not just sick fucks who find a niche. They are sick fucks precisely because of their religion's teachings. Their core beliefs are replete with fear of women and their bodies, and sickening sexual repression, and the rejection of natural impulses. Force celibacy upon a man, then tell him he has a divine warrant to lecture normally sexual people about their own sexual lives, and he will go very bad indeed.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I think some good old fashioned crime and punishment would do the trick. The biggest problem(in the grand scheme of things) are the ones with power covering up the scandal. Some in-house discipline needs to be enacted. The people covering it up may not be pedophiles, but the evil it takes to look the other way, is something they have to treat as bad as pedophilia itself. It starts from the top down. This is as big of a problem within the Christian community, as is radical extremism is within the Muslim community.

At the end of the day, if you don't want people thinking you're complicit, stop being fucking complicit. It's disgusting that this has continued to go on, and some PR apologies ain't gonna cut it. Enough is enough. Get your shit together already.

The Church has routinely not only failed to mete out real punishment to either offenders or their protectors, it has a proven role in suppressing the information on the abuses. The former pope Ratzinger was personally involved in issuing a memorandum to the Church' heirarchy stressing the importance of not submitting to "worldy authority", and how the Church is needed for it's "pastoral care".

We need gutsy prosecutors.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

 

[luckyshot]

They are not just sick fucks who find a niche. They are sick fucks precisely because of their religion's teachings. Their core beliefs are replete with fear of women and their bodies, and sickening sexual repression, and the rejection of natural impulses. Force celibacy upon a man, then tell him he has a divine warrant to lecture normally sexual people about their own sexual lives, and he will go very bad indeed.

Actually, there is no religion that stresses the holiness of the human body more than Catholicism.

And who, exactly, forces any man to become a celibate priest?

 

[hillelslovak87]

Actually, there is no religion that stresses the holiness of the human body more than Catholicism.

And who, exactly, forces any man to become a celibate priest?

The bible is full of fear for the human body, and especially the female. It is also full of the idea of "purity" in the context of fear relating to sex, or even sexual thoughts outside of marriage. This is clearly expressed in the freakish celibacy of the priests and the nuns.

Also, countless priests have been giving children "pastoral care" in the form of countless rapes and torture sessions over a period of nearly 2000 years. If we are seeing this today, just imagine what was happening when the Church had legitimate power over life and death within it's dominions.

 

[glenwo2]

thats pretty much a no-brainer imo.

the "profession" might also attract more normal people.

then again, it might also attract people from mmamania or bloodyelbow..... Be afraid, everyone.

 

[luckyshot]

The bible is full of fear for the human body, and especially the female. It is also full of the idea of "purity" in the context of fear relating to sex, or even sexual thoughts outside of marriage. This is clearly expressed in the freakish celibacy of the priests and the nuns.

Also, countless priests have been giving children "pastoral care" in the form of countless rapes and torture sessions over a period of nearly 2000 years. If we are seeing this today, just imagine what was happening when the Church had legitimate power over life and death within it's dominions.

There is no fear of the body in the Bible except that we think it is all we are.

Children have always, unfortunately, been abused. The Church was never the sole culprit. I can only pray that by the infamy tha the Church has currently earned, it will be purified.

 

[glenwo2]

The homosexuals are not the problem. It's the pedophiles... who should be castrated before or after they are decapitated.

Before.

They won't feel anything if they're already dead.