Good guy with a gun (uniformed cop) at Parkland Highschool shooting didn't engage shooter...

Going in is much different than defending yourself while you're in there, yeah?

I agree. I think a teacher with a gun would barricade themselves in a room with their students and only fire if the shooter attempted to get in. They're not going to leave the relative safety of a secured, locked room to run towards the gunfire.

As to the mention of the football coach who used his body as a shield - he is a hero. But from what I understand the shooter came upon where he was - he didn't run towards the shooter. So unless the football coach is walking around strapped he wouldn't have been in the situation to return fire in the same situation.
 
Meanwhile Anthony Borges, a teenager, was saving lives along with Peter Wang, another teenager. Wang was murdered, and Borges was shot 5 times. Two teenagers being heroes while the person paid to protect them fled like a coward.

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Clearly going recklessly in against a better-armed shooter is not his sole job. That's just what people wanted him to have done in this situation. And there's no middle ground with people on stuff like this. He's either a turbo-valiant hero or a scum-sucking coward. This thread is a commentary on human nature.

Ya, I agree with that. You are either a coward or a hero. There is no middle ground. You remember the poster Polynikes? He would have went in. lol.

And obviously my position is not crazy as the department seems to agree with me.
 
I thought the story was he stole it out of the family safe?

Point more so is he was not of age to legally possess one without an adult with him

Which one are you referring to, Kinkel or Lanza?
 
Maybe If he was that black security guard that gunned down the two robbers then maybe the kids could of survived?
Actually many active shooters kill themselves at the first sign of confrontation with police or even before they arrive.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf#page11

Don’t have the link off hand but there are more recent studies that I think show an even higher percentage off themselves at th first sign of being engaged.


Just fire off some rounds so he can’t stroll around with impunity. Cause a distraction, anything.
 
Clearly going recklessly in against a better-armed shooter is not his sole job. That's just what people wanted him to have done in this situation. And there's no middle ground with people on stuff like this. He's either a turbo-valiant hero or a scum-sucking coward. This thread is a commentary on human nature.

Actually that is our sole job in this particular scenario. And there is no middle ground. You go.

That’s how we all are trained and that’s what we expect of ourselves in this situation.
 
Ya, I agree with that. You are either a coward or a hero. There is no middle ground. You remember the poster Polynikes? He would have went in. lol.
A lot of people would have gone in, but our expectations of valor and our polarization between heroism and cowardice are unrealistic here. It doesn't sound like this guy had the necessary practiced virtue.
 
Maybe If he was that black security guard that gunned down the two robbers then maybe the kids could of survived?



Just fire off some rounds so he can’t stroll around with impunity. Cause a distraction, anything.

Basically, yes. Force them to have to react and address you instead of just hunting down kids.
 
I’m not about to judge this guy and it will suck ass if he ends up taking the brunt of the heat for this.
 
A lot of people would have gone in, but our expectations of valor and our polarization between heroism and cowardice are unrealistic here. It doesn't sound like this guy had the necessary practiced virtue.


Yeah, we shouldn't expect cops to have valor. That's a practiced virtue?

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Soldiers freeze in war, too. I'm not sure staking arguments on individual human flaws is fruitful unless you'd care to examine the data in more depth to demonstrate how often armed guards freeze versus how often they respond (not just in schools).

Besides, the threat of illegally obtained guns (or other weapons) doesn't go away if you remove the guns. Your prime problem cited in this thread still exists.
 
A lot of people would have gone in, but our expectations of valor and our polarization between heroism and cowardice are unrealistic here. It doesn't sound like this guy had the necessary practiced virtue.

I have said before how I am not cut out for the military. This is a job for potential heroes. You keep dismissing the fact this was his job. He took an oath. I have been to many marriages and shit. Even then, when you swear an oath that is serious shit. It is binding. He took an oath to serve and protect. Maybe my favorite Sopranos killing scene. YOU TOOK AN OATH.

 
I agree. I think a teacher with a gun would barricade themselves in a room with their students and only fire if the shooter attempted to get in. They're not going to leave the relative safety of a secured, locked room to run towards the gunfire.

As to the mention of the football coach who used his body as a shield - he is a hero. But from what I understand the shooter came upon where he was - he didn't run towards the shooter. So unless the football coach is walking around strapped he wouldn't have been in the situation to return fire in the same situation.

That's mostly what I imagine as well. They'll hunker down and guard their students. Gotta arm janitors too. They wouldn't have students they'd be obligated to stay with, know the lay of the land, and probably have enough of a chip on their shoulder from working such a shit job that they'll relish the opportunity to take it out on some fuckhead. Get that 15 minutes of fame and be somebody for a change. :cool:

You see that door-blocker some kid invented in metal shop? Pretty damn cool.

https://whdh.com/news/wisconsin-teen-invents-school-door-locking-device/
 
I have said before how I am not cut out for the military. This is a job for potential heroes. You keep dismissing the fact this was his job. He took an oath. I have been to many marriages and shit. Even then, when you swear an oath that is serious shit. It is binding. He took an oath to serve and protect. Maybe my favorite Sopranos killing scene. YOU TOOK AN OATH.


Did he take an oath to run in outgunned and alone into an unknown situation? Somehow I don't think so.
 
If someone is on a shooting spree safety is already out the window. If you can honestly say you'd rather nobody be around with a gun (who isn't a cop or security guard) when a guy is murdering people then ok. But that sounds pretty silly to me. Good luck with your UFC skills. :D

One last point. The civilian carrying his gun is going to be far more worried about killing an innocent person than cops will. Cops know they're not going to jail over a mistake whereas the citizen has a very real fear of that.

As I already said, people with guns won't just have them on shooting sprees but in many occasions where their fear might cause them to act irrationally. Given that we've seen people do things like kill the neighbor's teenage son because he banged on the shooter's door it's quite clear that irrationality throws normal logic out the window.

There's a good chance it's just pouring on the problem as the safest countries certainly don't have civilians running around with guns everywhere. The US already has thousands of people accidentally shot every year. But since I don't live in the US you can of course do whatever you feel like as far as I'm concerned. It could be an interesting, although possibly morbid, experiment to arm every citizen.
 
Lol administrators are just like politicians, looking to blame everyone else. He might lose his job but at least he's not dead
 
Did he take an oath to run in outgunned and alone into an unknown situation? Somehow I don't think so.

Specifically, no, but I can guarantee that’s what he was trained and expected to do by every other cop out there. Hence why he was suspended without pay and retired.
 
As I already said, people with guns won't just have them on shooting sprees but in many occasions where their fear might cause them to act irrationally.

I don't think that shows up in statistics. Not too many people who carry are accidentally shooting people in public, although I'm sure there are instances.

Bottom line, it's not about that. It's about every person having a right to self-defense coupled with the fact that the people hired to protect you have no legal obligation to do so. If your morality doesn't adhere to that basic human right (i.e. self-defense) then we're very different people in that respect. To me it's immoral to deny that right.
 
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