Golovkin, Canelo, and The Lineal Middleweight Title | Page 2

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  1. nastyleft Brown Belt

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    I havent looked but was Jacobs and GGG actually ranked #1 and #2? If Canelo is lineal he can only lose it by fighting and losing to another MW, right? That hasnt happened and he hasnt been challenged with a mandatory. Its cute for conversation but no...a good fight last night, but nothing to remove him from the top lineal spot he earned it fair and square and shouldnt lose it over something trivial like that.
     
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    I think lineal is stupid. The majority of people considered GGG the champ and not Canelo, just as people feel Kovalev is the champ and now Chickenson
     
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    I only really care about interesting fights at the end of the day. GGG has long established himself as the #1 MW.
     
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    I honestly don't put any stock in the "lineal" designation anyway. I feel like it has lost all meaning in the current landscape of the sport.
    I know that's sacrelage to some of y'all but it doesn't mean anything to me.

    GGG's the man @ MW right now, so, sure, new lineage.
     
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    After the Chavez fight, Canelo will have had 2 fights in a row that haven't been MW fights.

    I think if he doesn't defend against a top 5 MW after Chavez, then the MW title should be declared vacant. I do not agree with just declaring Golovkin the champ. That title needs to be won in the ring.
     
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    Yeah I agree but it's more a matter of how many fights he should get before it's vacant.
     
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    Eh I don't think it's trivial really, him taking two fights in a row outside of middleweight. But seeing as it's been less than a year since he fought Khan, I suppose it makes sense that the title would remain his until he at least announces his fight after Chavez.
     
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    I get you guys. Thanks for weighing in anyway, wanted to talk about something besides weight and robberies today.
     
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    Unless you're prepared to go back and rewrite boxing history from the very beginning, it's still Canelo. For whatever that's worth.
     
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    That's a good question. I think Canelo's claim is tenuous at best since dropping down to fight Smith. I'd still like for the Saunders fight to be made though and have a fully unified title before starting a new lineage. Hopefully though the fight against Canelo gets made for September.
     
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  11. Kovalev's "Man Bag" I don't do titles

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    This is true but by the time he fights Chavez Jr. it will have been 12 months since he last fought at Middleweight against Khan. He fought Khan May 7th of last year and May 6th he's fighting Chavez Jr., his second consecutive non-MW bout as you mentioned. Factor in recovery time, any injuries (which he was in the Smith fight at JMW), scheduling of his next fight hopefully at Middleweight, his fight camp and you're easily looking at well over a year of not competing in the Middleweight division to even defend his lineal throne. ESPN defaults the lineal champion to the #1 spot in their divisional rankings and they don't recognize Canelo anymore since he last fought at JMW and won a major world title (WBO). He's now ranked #1 at JMW according to their rankings but not at Middleweight.
     
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    Would you mind elaborating? Not disagreeing, just curious.
     
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    Meaning that history is filled with fighters who maintained their lineal claims despite them being inactive champions by either not competing in the ring at all for an extended period of time (multiple years in a lot of cases) or by concentrating on other divisions. Canelo just won the lineal MW claim 16 months ago and has participated in a MW fight since then against Khan not even a year ago.
     
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    Ah gotcha, thanks.
     
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    Who dis?
     
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  17. cottagecheesefan Red Belt

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    no clue. We better unzip our dicks, and welcome the new guy,
     
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  18. Sunfish Martinez Belt

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    Your mom.
     
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    Eh I'll risk it and unzip my dick anyway.
     
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  20. JayE Brown Belt

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    I think there should be a new lineage. Canelo hasn't fought a top rated MW contender in more than a year.
     
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