Going from gi to no-gi - teething issues | Page 2

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  1. BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    whats stopping you to do leg locks and neck cranks with the gi?
     
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  2. Nik123 Purple Belt

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    Sure, thanks mate.

    Fave guard pass is probably the knee cut. best sweep is hip-bump. subs would be kimura, triangle, and guillotine.
     
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  3. Rod1 Yellow Card

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    I have better control in no-gi but almost few attack options since i mostly do lapel chokes and armbars in the gi, so when im no gi i struggle to force them to open their arms.
     
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  4. BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    you mean armbars from mount?
     
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  5. mataleaos Green Belt

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    Oh shit. You're gonna be money without the gi. You're in a good spot once you get past that initial learning curve. That's a good style to work with for no-gi.

    It's Friday so I got a couple things going on but sometime this weekend I will post up some ideas for you based on this and I'll make sure to tag you when I do.
     
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  6. Franklegit Orange Belt

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    Have you tried RNC or a kimura grip when trying to pry his arms apart?
     
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  7. Rod1 Yellow Card

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    I have a really bad back control, and yeah the kimura grip is usually what i aim for, but that means people in my gym know its what im going to try.
     
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    My mistake i mean armlocks in general.
     
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  9. kenpeters8 Green Belt

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    Too many gi only practitioners will be screaming "NO REAPING MY KNEE", or "THAT'S NOT IBJJF LEGAL!" And I'm not even trying to be sarcastic. That shit happens all the time.
     
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  10. kenetics Black Belt

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    It's hard to break grips against good guys lol.
     
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  11. Steve08 American Fedor Belt

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    The grips are still there, but they're just different basically. You can use grips that don't require the gi in the gi even so there is cross-over between the two (i.e. overhook, underhook).
     
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  12. dmwalking Sapateiro Belt

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    Everything is harder against good guys. It doesn't matter if it's gi or no gi.

    But against blues and purples, I noticed that gi is easier than no gi for me. It's slower so you don't gas as much and you get to think a bit. You can hold onto everything so it's easier to execute the moves you want. And the collar gives you a choking weapon so you don't even need to get your arms around the neck. Everything is just so much easier to me.
     
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  13. lechien Gold Belt

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    For nogi, I use reverse de LA rival, single x, x guard, butterfly guard, arm drag a lot more.
     
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  14. BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    What your saying makes no sense and it's backed by zero facts.

    There has not been a single no gi specialist jumping into a gi competiton and having success at it (élite competitions)... there's a shit ton on gi specialist having success jumping to no gi tournaments abd mostly doing gi.

    Your view is based on your experience, which might be a very small sample to draw conclusions.
     
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  15. colby25 Brown Belt

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    I agree with everyone here. Going no-gi to gi sucks. I unfortunately will be doing that transition again this week. I'm hoping to tighten up my game with the gi, but definitely kills the ego when struggling to break a guys grip who's been grappling for about a year.

    Oh well.
     
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  16. Franklegit Orange Belt

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    Josh Barnett?
     
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  17. BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    what tournament did he win? a single match vs romulo where he went for a foot lock, which he didnt finish...
     
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  18. dmwalking Sapateiro Belt

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    You seem upset. But your logic isn't great here. How many no gi specialists actually enter gi comps? How many gi specialists even train in the gi? But supposedly Gordon Ryan is going to start entering gi comps so we'll see.

    I don't deny that I'm speaking from my own experience. But that is my experience. The gi is easier.
     
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    Im not upset, but what your saying. Is an oxymoron... comon sense doesn't support your opinion, nor do facts. And your opinion is based on your experince, saying you can deal with grips and the whole gi meta because now you have a collar to grab it's quite silly to be honest, get Infront of any competent gi purple and if you are not use to, you'll get wreck.
     
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  20. Poseidon9 Green Belt

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    There are a few things you'll have to account for in taking off the gi. As mentioned previously, the pace is one. Without the gi, things move quicker. This also means that you may have fewer opportunities to entangle your opponent in positions they have to think their way out of, so you can either steer your game into some of the nogi areas that encourage thoughtful technique, or step your athleticism up to compensate for the increased pace.

    Second, the range is different. You can grab someone with a very solid grip in the gi from a few feet away, but that same effectiveness of "grip" requires you to be a few inches or more closer at all times. Get comfortable entering firefights of guard passing, wrestling, etc to build your experience with these new grips.

    Third, without as many stable gripping opportunities, your basics of movement and posture are even more critical. Be mindful of these and of not compromising them when you move, because without grips, sometimes your positioning and weight distribution are all you've got. Make them strong.

    Finally, there are two schools of thought on this and really either way can be effective. The Marcelo approach of having your game be the same for gi and no-gi means that almost all of your technique in gi can be replicated in no-gi, and that that training either one pushes the same aspects of your game forward. You might see the greatest overall progress down this path but it may involve cutting out or changing much of what you currently do in the gi. If you're under purple belt, play with everything. If you don't compete, also tweak things with reckless abandon. Otherwise you may have to think hard about what is working for you and what needs to go without sacrificing or hindering your competition game. The other, and this is something that blew my mind when I was a young blue belt, is that it's okay to have a different game for no-gi than gi. I was having trouble reconciling the two because I had a ton of fun with the gi grips but it wasn't working in no-gi. I then started looking at each game as completely separate entities and it really helped me to refresh my approach and start having fun again without having to make sacrifices.

    For the last 5-6 years I've only trained no-gi about 4-5x a year and have no problem at all keeping up with my peers at the same level who train no-gi far more frequently. Maybe someone else can find it helpful.
     
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