International Germany is so screwed

What I find surprising is that Bild has sided on the pro-migrant side, and that Deutsche Welle is also in favor of mass immigration.

So it s weird that they would report that IF the story is questionable.

Yeah, Bild's approach is more shitty sensationalism than catering to right-wing populism. I wouldn't exactly label them "pro-migrant" though.
The actual figures they give are a 79% increase in total migrant crimes, compared to a 440% increase in migrants. They also mention that at least a third of the crimes are related to fraud and declared assets (presumably in relation to the asylum application process). Lastly that the increased crimes all happened at the start of the migrant surge and had settled by September. That still doesn't counter their headlining with the overall crime rates or a half million increase in the expected number of migrants.
I'm not discounting it out of hand. I'm just saying that without being able to see the source or evaluate it, there's no way I'd simply take the word of such incredibly crap and biased sources.
 
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I'd it's closer to 5%, but I usually sozialise with people with a job or some kind of degree so what would I know.

Well you must not speak with a very diverse group then. Or maybe people with degrees such as language studies ?

People I know are split into 2 groups : the ones earning a shitty living in jobs linked to universities' cultural programmes, and the ones with white collar banking/corporate jobs that earn a decent living.

The first group is usually pro-mass-immigration.

The second one is absolutely against mass immigration.

It's even worthy of noting that in Banking, the further you get from the front office and towards lower paying / lower recognition jobs, the more pro-mass immigration the people become.

University circles of shitty faculties, you know the types that have a pHd's in some useless field and work for net 1900€/month are usually anti establishment and will support anything that they perceived as being against the system or whatever goes on in their weak little minds.

These people are frustrated because society does not value them.
 
How would you personally rate the source you've quoted? From "Completely full of shit, fear mongering, sensationalist, agenda driven lies", such as Info Wars, Pamela Geller or World Net Daily, through to Gospel Truth?

Bild is tabloid trash, and if they've published this leaked report, I've been unable to find it.
Deutsch Welle also reported on this "secret leak", although they didn't release it either, and they reported the facts somewhat differently.

Personally, I wouldn't post such trash sources quoting "secret leaks" without at least having the leaked material to evaluate.
Otherwise you're just a mindless repeater station for someone's propaganda network.
Please. It's well known that German authorities are covering up crime totals and burying the stats. Saying otherwise is just mindlessly repeating propaganda from the German offices of Big Sister. I didn't know you were such an authority on German rags. Consider me impressed, I didn't know you spoke fluent German.

It's quite funny the Deutsch Welle article you posted literally has the same information you wrote off in the previous link. But please, jump back on that soap box.
 
Please. It's well known that German authorities are covering up crime totals and burying the stats. Saying otherwise is just mindlessly repeating propaganda from the German offices of Big Sister. I didn't know you were such an authority on German rags. Consider me impressed, I didn't know you spoke fluent German.

It's quite funny the Deutsch Welle article you posted literally has the same information you wrote off in the previous link. But please, jump back on that soap box.

Only high school German and German family, but it's enough. You posted a shit source. Again. Without verifying it, simply because it fits your narrative.
You do that a lot these days. Along with posting memes. Makes you a shit poster.
Asking for the evidence isn't repeating propaganda. Not asking for it, while posting rubbish sources is.

The Deutsche Welle article is only reporting on the Bild article, and yet it still has more information (which wasn't in the Daily Caller article you posted).
The Daily Caller is reporting on Deutsche Welle reporting on the Bild article, while selectively leaving out information which doesn't fit it's agenda. The link you posted to "bizpac review" didn't even include the link to Deutsche Welle.
 
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Only high school German and German family, but it's enough. You posted a shit source. Again. Without verifying it, simply because it fits your narrative.
You do that a lot these days. Along with posting memes. Makes you a shit poster.
Asking for the evidence isn't repeating propaganda. Not asking for it, while posting rubbish sources is.

The Deutsche Welle article is only reporting on the Bild article, and yet it still has more information (which wasn't in the Daily Caller article you posted).
The Daily Caller is reporting on Deutsche Welle reporting on the Bild article, while selectively leaving out information which doesn't fit it's agenda. The link you posted to "bizpac review" didn't even include the link to Deutsche Welle.
The only time you post here, or at least the overwhelming number of posts you have, is nothing more than temper tantrums directed towards people who you feel disagree with you on sociopolitical issues, so please, spare me your shit poster projection. At least people enjoy my memes. No one enjoys your shitty petulance.

Funny, the info I posted earlier was confirmed by your own link, yet it's tone didn't fit your own sociopolitical ideology, so you bashed it anyway. Again, this is nothing but projection. It doesn't matter if there wasn't a direct link to DW because the info was correct. Rather than admitting that you were proven wrong with your initial skepticism, you're just trying to save face by attacking me instead of the accurate info of the link I posted. Having a viewpoint that is contrary to someone who just sits on the sidelines and interjects when triggered is something to be proud of, so I appreciate your hatred of my posts. It tells me I'm going in the right direction.
 
The only time you post here, or at least the overwhelming number of posts you have, is nothing more than temper tantrums directed towards people who you feel disagree with you on sociopolitical issues, so please, spare me your shit poster projection. At least people enjoy my memes. No one enjoys your shitty petulance.

Funny, the info I posted earlier was confirmed by your own link, yet it's tone didn't fit your own sociopolitical ideology, so you bashed it anyway. Again, this is nothing but projection. It doesn't matter if there wasn't a direct link to DW because the info was correct. Rather than admitting that you were proven wrong with your initial skepticism, you're just trying to save face by attacking me instead of the accurate info of the link I posted. Having a viewpoint that is contrary to someone who just sits on the sidelines and interjects when triggered is something to be proud of, so I appreciate your hatred of my posts. It tells me I'm going in the right direction.
Rupecrcht isn't even man enough to express his own ideas. He has to plus juan other posters. Frankly, it's embarrassing.
 
The only time you post here, or at least the overwhelming number of posts you have, is nothing more than temper tantrums directed towards people who you feel disagree with you on sociopolitical issues, so please, spare me your shit poster projection. At least people enjoy my memes. No one enjoys your shitty petulance.

Funny, the info I posted earlier was confirmed by your own link, yet it's tone didn't fit your own sociopolitical ideology, so you bashed it anyway. Again, this is nothing but projection. It doesn't matter if there wasn't a direct link to DW because the info was correct. Rather than admitting that you were proven wrong with your initial skepticism, you're just trying to save face by attacking me instead of the accurate info of the link I posted. Having a viewpoint that is contrary to someone who just sits on the sidelines and interjects when triggered is something to be proud of, so I appreciate your hatred of my posts. It tells me I'm going in the right direction.

Try again. There was no accurate info because there was no source. You've reduced yourself to a facebook political spammer level of posting with memes, youtube videos and shitty biased links. Goes hand in hand with the "Gamergate" approach to politics I guess.

The Deutsche Welle article WAS the source for the Daily Caller, and they distorted what it said by leaving out half the info. Deutsche Welle's source was the Bild article, and again, there was no link to this "Secret Document". That was the trail back from the Daily Caller article, which apparently you didn't check out what so ever. Shit sourcing.

Rupecrcht isn't even man enough to express his own ideas. He has to plus juan other posters. Frankly, it's embarrassing.

Still crying over your pals holiday in Iran? Isn't a "plus juan" exactly what you're doing now? :D
 
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Try again. There was no accurate info because there was no source. You've reduced yourself to a facebook political spammer level of posting with memes, youtube videos and shitty biased links. Goes hand in hand with the "Gamergate" approach to politics I guess.

The Deutsche Welle article WAS the source for the Daily Caller, and they distorted what it said by leaving out half the info. Deutsche Welle's source was the Bild article, and again, there was no link to this "Secret Document". That was the trail back from the Daily Caller article, which apparently you didn't check out what so ever. Shit sourcing.
Unreal. So the information wasn't accurate because it didn't directly source the DW article... but the stats released by DW were the exact same stats as my original link. The stupidity here is baffling.
 
Unreal. So the information wasn't accurate because it didn't directly source the DW article... but the stats released by DW were the exact same stats as my original link. The stupidity here is baffling.

No, the information isn't accurate because the "secret government document" hasn't been released for verification.
Deutsche Welle is simply reporting on the Bild article. Bild is tabloid trash. Celebrity nonsense and soft porn... maybe that's your idea of hard hitting political journalism these days?
Even then, the stats from the DW/Bild article were not the same stats in the Daily Caller article, it left most of them out because they showed that the rate of crime amongst refugees had actually dropped and that a third of the crime related to assets claims and fraud (presumably in their applications for asylum).
That's kinda the point. The Daily Caller article is a politically biased misrepresentation of a (second hand) article about an unpublished "secret document" from a trashy tabloid known for it's sensationalism.
The lack of reading comprehension here is... well, to be expected I guess.
 
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Try again. There was no accurate info because there was no source. You've reduced yourself to a facebook political spammer level of posting with memes, youtube videos and shitty biased links. Goes hand in hand with the "Gamergate" approach to politics I guess.

The Deutsche Welle article WAS the source for the Daily Caller, and they distorted what it said by leaving out half the info. Deutsche Welle's source was the Bild article, and again, there was no link to this "Secret Document". That was the trail back from the Daily Caller article, which apparently you didn't check out what so ever. Shit sourcing.



Still crying over your pals holiday in Iran? Isn't a "plus juan" exactly what you're doing now? :D
I'm not much for crying... But I'd be happy to murder every last Iranian that broke the rules of engagement with these American Sailors. It's only a shame that I can't.
 
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No one here is crying over Iran... It's simply too bad I can't get some face time with any Iranian involved in the travesty that happened there.

I'm not much for crying... But I'd be happy to murder every last Iranian that broke the rules of engagement with these American Sailors. It's only a shame that I can't.

Not much for crying? Are you telling me that isn't SOP (I'm throwing in acronyms to make you feel better) for the American military in these situations?
 
I'm not much for crying... But I'd be happy to murder every last Iranian that broke the rules of engagement with these American Sailors. It's only a shame that I can't.

Interesting that the only ones who are as moronically psychopathic and blinded by some dumb bat shit insane ideology as the Islamist terrorist are Muricans on here like Him^.

Here the psychopath brain washed by nut job ideology (murica #1 and so on BS) wants to murder people because some american pussy cried on camera after they got picked up for violating Iranian waters and it got this guys panties are so rustled he wants to murder over. Sure is similar as the nut jobs that murder over cartoons and shit.

Aka Murican pussy cried so lets murder people over it is the gist of this nut job.

wow.
 
No, the information isn't accurate because the "secret government document" hasn't been released for verification.
Deutsche Welle is simply reporting on the Bild article. Bild is tabloid trash. Celebrity nonsense and soft porn... maybe that's your idea of hard hitting political journalism these days?
Even then, the stats from the DW/Bild article were not the same stats in the Daily Caller article, it left most of them out because they showed that the rate of crime amongst refugees had actually dropped and that a third of the crime related to assets claims and fraud (presumably in their applications for asylum).
That's kinda the point. The Daily Caller article is a politically biased misrepresentation of a (second hand) article about an unpublished "secret document" from a trashy tabloid known for it's sensationalism.
The lack of reading comprehension here is... well, to be expected I guess.
The stats were the same in my initial link as they were in the DW article you referenced, but let's cut through the bullshit.

If it turns out this article was nothing but purpose agitprop against massive Muslim immigration, I will come here and admit I posted a shit source. The question is, if you're wrong, are you man enough to do the same?

It's well known that many European countries (including Germany) are fudging their crime stats when it comes to migrants/refugees.
 
The stats were the same in my initial link as they were in the DW article you referenced, but let's cut through the bullshit.

If it turns out this article was nothing but purpose agitprop against massive Muslim immigration, I will come here and admit I posted a shit source. The question is, if you're wrong, are you man enough to do the same?

It's well known that many European countries (including Germany) are fudging their crime stats when it comes to migrants/refugees.

Even though your last paragraph is correct, at least for Germany, the referenced Report is not out yet and who knows if it even exists in such a form.
 
The stats were the same in my initial link as they were in the DW article you referenced, but let's cut through the bullshit.

If it turns out this article was nothing but purpose agitprop against massive Muslim immigration, I will come here and admit I posted a shit source. The question is, if you're wrong, are you man enough to do the same?

It's well known that many European countries (including Germany) are fudging their crime stats when it comes to migrants/refugees.

The stats were not the same, because the ones which didn't align with their narrative were left out. They gave no breakdown of the numbers, nor any prior stats for comparison, despite those being in the original article they were reporting on (the Deutsche Welle article is titled, "Report: Refugee-related crimes in Germany increase less than influx of asylum seekers")

It doesn't matter if it turns out to be true, because the point is that you sourced an agenda driven (The Daily Caller is not objective, and distorted the report as it was), unverifiable, third hand source which originated from tabloid trash..
That very fact makes it anti-immigration propaganda (not to mention it's mindless repition by Pamela Gelller, World Net Daily and Infowars).
You didn't even check on it, just accepted it because it fits your own views and narrative.
You used to source check, even when it was Libertarian propaganda and you largely agreed with libertarian views.
Now, you just post whatever, and this falling standard has paralleled your shift to "gamergate" and anti-PC posting.
 
Even though your last paragraph is correct, at least for Germany, the referenced Report is not out yet and who knows if it even exists in such a form.
Yes, which is why I offered Ruprecht a bet so that if it isn't true, I'd man up and admit I posted a shitty source. But that's the thing when it comes to finding out what's actually happening with migrants/refugees in Europe, especially Germany and Sweden - you have to step outside of the mainstream media to know the truth because they are purposely manipulating and sugarcoating the truth. So you're locked in a bit of a catch 22.
The stats were not the same, because the ones which didn't align with their narrative were left out. They gave no breakdown of the numbers, nor any prior stats for comparison, despite those being in the original article they were reporting on (the Deutsche Welle article is titled, "Report: Refugee-related crimes in Germany increase less than influx of asylum seekers")

It doesn't matter if it turns out to be true, because the point is that you sourced an agenda driven (The Daily Caller is not objective, and distorted the report as it was), unverifiable, third hand source which originated from tabloid trash..
That very fact makes it anti-immigration propaganda (not to mention it's mindless repition by Pamela Gelller, World Net Daily and Infowars).
You didn't even check on it, just accepted it because it fits your own views and narrative.
You used to source check, even when it was Libertarian propaganda and you largely agreed with libertarian views.
Now, you just post whatever, and this falling standard has paralleled your shift to "gamergate" and anti-PC posting.
You know you have no ground to stand on when you keep throwing out ad hominems and not addressing the post.
I don't care about GamerGate any longer. Shut the fuck up about this, you sound like a bitter woman, constantly bringing up things in the past to use against someone, even if they are no longer relevant. I was never a libertarian, only had those leanings about eight years ago when I voted for Bob Barr (and then Rocky Anderson in 2012, so you're a fucking moron if you think his stances were libertarian). You think I just post "whatever" and that I'm "anti-PC" because in your limited world view, everyone has to adhere to easily defined labels because it makes it easier to write off their opinions if they in any way conflict with your own ideology. When someone deviates from that horseshit world view, you just attribute labels to them (anti-PC) and work on that premise so you can write them off, not because of the validity of their argument but because of what you feel about their identity. It's childish.
You posted the DW article because it fits your own ideology and was presented in a palatable way. Not because it refuted the link I posted (it didn't), but because it tried to soothe the information. I don't have to have a manipulative downplay of the truth to accept or reject the info provided, like you.
This simply boils down to me being skeptical of mass Muslim immigration, and you coddling it at every turn. You're so possessed with fighting anything and everything you perceive as being "right wing" that you'd fight the truth if it dick slapped your right cheek.
And, for the record, you ducked the challenge. Because deep down inside, you fear it might be true but you're too egotistical to admit you might have been wrong and more than anything, it might crack your sheltered ideology.
 
Yes, which is why I offered Ruprecht a bet so that if it isn't true, I'd man up and admit I posted a shitty source. But that's the thing when it comes to finding out what's actually happening with migrants/refugees in Europe, especially Germany and Sweden - you have to step outside of the mainstream media to know the truth because they are purposely manipulating and sugarcoating the truth. So you're locked in a bit of a catch 22.

You know you have no ground to stand on when you keep throwing out ad hominems and not addressing the post.
I don't care about GamerGate any longer. Shut the fuck up about this, you sound like a bitter woman, constantly bringing up things in the past to use against someone, even if they are no longer relevant. I was never a libertarian, only had those leanings about eight years ago when I voted for Bob Barr (and then Rocky Anderson in 2012, so you're a fucking moron if you think his stances were libertarian). You think I just post "whatever" and that I'm "anti-PC" because in your limited world view, everyone has to adhere to easily defined labels because it makes it easier to write off their opinions if they in any way conflict with your own ideology. When someone deviates from that horseshit world view, you just attribute labels to them (anti-PC) and work on that premise so you can write them off, not because of the validity of their argument but because of what you feel about their identity. It's childish.
You posted the DW article because it fits your own ideology and was presented in a palatable way. Not because it refuted the link I posted (it didn't), but because it tried to soothe the information. I don't have to have a manipulative downplay of the truth to accept or reject the info provided, like you.
This simply boils down to me being skeptical of mass Muslim immigration, and you coddling it at every turn. You're so possessed with fighting anything and everything you perceive as being "right wing" that you'd fight the truth if it dick slapped your right cheek.
And, for the record, you ducked the challenge. Because deep down inside, you fear it might be true but you're too egotistical to admit you might have been wrong and more than anything, it might crack your sheltered ideology.
Posting a sensationalist third hand source that ultimately didn't have the supposed first hand source material behind it is poor form dude. You say your skeptical of mass immigration and that's fine but if you want to distinguish yourself as a true skeptic and not a sensationalist sticking to verifiable facts is the way to go.
 
Posting a sensationalist third hand source that ultimately didn't have the supposed first hand source material behind it is poor form dude. You say your skeptical of mass immigration and that's fine but if you want to distinguish yourself as a true skeptic and not a sensationalist sticking to verifiable facts is the way to go.
Sensationalism has nothing to do with whether or not the stats presented were true. As for the firsthand source, that is a waiting game and I've already stated I would come here and admit that out of all the good, credible links and info I've posted, I posted a really bad one here if it turns out the info was incorrect. It's poor form to call that out and then not be willing to admit you're wrong if you were indeed wrong.
 
Sensationalism has nothing to do with whether or not the stats presented were true. As for the firsthand source, that is a waiting game and I've already stated I would come here and admit that out of all the good, credible links and info I've posted, I posted a really bad one here if it turns out the info was incorrect. It's poor form to call that out and then not be willing to admit you're wrong if you were indeed wrong.
You posted a source made a claim that, as of now, has no legitimate source and didn't indicate that your article lacked the legitimate source it claimed to have.

You know the saying, a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can put its shoes on. That's why we should only engage in verifiable and demonstrable data, because misinformation will have an impact regardless of any follow up that disproves said misinformation.

As far as Ruprecht goes, the information hasn't been verified and I would say its justified for him to call you out on the ultimate lack of a source. Of course he should address the information if it turns out to be true but even if it does that doesn't change the fact that, with the information we have and don't have as of now, it was ill advised to post the article that you posted.
 
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