Germany crime statistic for 2017 with shocking new development.

[Fedorable]

I vote for less violent crime.

 

[Gandhi]

CORRECTION: Reported crime.

Now how much of this is under reporting caused by people worried about being labeled an Islamophobe and suffering punishment remains unknown.

Yes it remains unknown how much your unsubstantiate theory accounts for anything. Any evidence to support under reporting due to fear of being labeled a bigot?

 

[Damien Karras]

There are three things you don't talk about in Germany: World War 2, Immigration, and crime statistics and in Sweden it's even worse. No that's not reaching.

I lived in Berlin. Yes it's reaching

 

[bref]

There are three things you don't talk about in Germany: World War 2, Immigration, and crime statistics and in Sweden it's even worse. No that's not reaching.

So which place do you live? Germany or Sweden?

 

[snakedafunky]

Why is that?

There are several factors for that.
The biggest factor would be that people are in general more suspicious and hostile to non-ethnic Germans.
While they might not want to get the police involved when the crime was committed by a German they don't tend to have that feeling with a Non-German.
There also seem to be a biased from the police that when crimes are reported where the suspects are Non-Ethnic German they take the complaint more serious (for the same crimes).
I guess that would be sort of comparable to African Americans in the US.

But there are also some statistical factors. Non-ethnic German, in general, belong more to the lower social classes.
And they happened to be younger so that puts them already in categories that are more likely to be reported no matter the ethnicity.

This is actually something that dates back a long time in Germany. I remember this being criticized in early 2000 as well after crime rates rise due to the EU east expansion.
And that it somehow misrepresents the actual relation between Ethnic Germans and Non Ethnic. Not saying that foreigners don't commit more crimes than Germans they do in general.
But when it comes to the statistics those are also influenced by Germans being more likely to report foreigners.

I guess every country with an Ethnic Majority like Germany would have that?

 

[panamaican]

I love Germany. All 4 of my grandparents are from southern Germany. They will peacefully take over Europe in the next few decades

With all due respect, I doubt your grandparents will be able to take over Europe in the next few decades. They will simply be too old.

 

[Billy no mates]

There are three things you don't talk about in Germany: World War 2, Immigration, and crime statistics and in Sweden it's even worse. No that's not reaching.

Wrong , they don't talk about acid wash denim,Rudi Voeller Taches and loose perm mullet hybrids , greater sources of national shame than all their other atrocities combined .

 

[uppercutbus]

So which place do you live? Germany or Sweden?

The old "it's false if you don't live there".
"Stockholm Police consciously avoids to report on phenomenons which can be tied to perpetrators of a foreign background, because they fear it may be used as propaganda by right-wing politicians."

I lived in Berlin. Yes it's reaching

Which part is reaching? Reluctance to report on migrant crimes and fear to openly complaining about immigration? There's plenty of links supporting all those. Cologne was the big one for Germany where the cops damaged controlled like cucks. Sweden is worse by a fair margin.

 

[HockeyBjj]

So a sign that the large 2016 increase was more an outlier than a solid trend?

Regressing in 2017 to a more normal is a hopeful thing

 

[21 Savage]

I lived in Berlin. Yes it's reaching

guys this guy has in fact spent time in berlin so i think its safe to say we dont need any numbers on this

 

[bobgeese]

Down 10% from a year where people were getting massacred in the street?

Impressive.

 

[oldshadow]

So they are seeing a decrease in crime as they let less refugees in.

 

[bref]

Down 10% from a year where people were getting massacred in the street?

Impressive.

Shall we compare violent crime rates in major American cities vs major German cities?

 

[snakedafunky]

So a sign that the large 2016 increase was more an outlier than a solid trend?

Regressing in 2017 to a more normal is a hopeful thing

Yes, it looks that way. I mean the increase was obviously due to the migrant influx.
But Germany has already made some adjustment to deport criminal foreigners and made sure fewer migrants will come in.
Also, I would not classify the current system as good or satisfactory. But it certainly improved a lot. But it is a long process to make those changes and have them implemented.

One thing that will be interesting to see is the CSU that is the conservative wing of Merkel's already conservative Party is in charge of the interior ministry.
The CSU rules in Bavaria which has the lowest crime rates in Germany. So let's see what they can do. They are strict conservatives.
Usually, they are too conservative for me. But I would have voted for them last time due to the circumstances (you can only vote for them in Bavaria on the national stage CDU/CSU are sort of one party).

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Seems like good news.

 

[uppercutbus]

It's a strange way to spin a decrease crimes from a peak as "a good thing" to support open borders and refugee-welcome policies.

It's like injuring yourself then applauding the healing process.

Down 10% from a year where people were getting massacred in the street?

Impressive.

Sound about right. Violent crime for immigrants rises to astronomical levels in 2016:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...e-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/germany-registers-surge-crimes-right-wing-radicals/

The crime rate among migrants in Germany rose by more than 50 per cent last year,

OP's article: 2017 Violent crimes are slightly down by 2.4% while murders are up 3.2 (total of 785).

Violent crimes (rapes and assaults etc.) down only 2.4% Murders up.

http://www.dw.com/en/german-study-links-increased-crime-rate-to-migrant-arrivals/a-42006484

More than 90 percent of the increase (not of total violent crimes) was said to be attributable to migrants.

Leftist spin: "let's just look at all crimes and say they dropped 10% and claim victory for open border policies and to make countries bring more in - Ireland we're looking at you."

 

[original doom]

yeeehhhhh right.

 

[original doom]

Crimes are down by 10% overall. The biggest decline since reunification.

I don't have a source in English because the report only got leaked (will be out official beginning of May).
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutsch...and-so-stark-zurueck-wie-seit-1993-nicht.html
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/just...7-zahl-der-straftaten-gesunken-a-1204160.html

A few key indicators. Also, they have to be taken with a grain of salt because 2015-16 was relatively high and with the German crime statistic, they can be influenced by what the police are currently considering a priority so currently that would assault and sexual assault etc. crime usually associated with immigrants.

Theft is still around a third of all crimes down by 10%.
Break-ins are down by 25%.
Violent crimes are slightly down by 2.4% while murders are up 3.2 (total of 785).
Drug-related crimes have the biggest increase around 10%.
The good news is that the crimes from none Germans went down by 22% and refugees in particular by 40%.

Let's see how Trump numbers match up that of Miss Merkel.
The greatest daughter the German people have produces in their 1000 year history.

But Fatherland is dommed. Says increasingly nervous Roman since 110 AD.

mmmm are you actually german ?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

From the first article:


https://www.politico.eu/article/tho...asylum-seekers-in-germany-drops-by-one-third/



Also worth noting that this is comparing from a previous year in 2016 where murder/violent crime rose way more (14%) in comparison to these drops:

http://www.dw.com/en/german-crime-s...se-in-violent-and-political-crimes/a-38567261



Most of these crime reductions seem to be non-violent. Violent crimes dropped 2.4% while murder rose 3.2% in 2017 after a year where violent crimes and murder went up by ~14%. Doesn't sound too good on that front.

Will be interesting to see the full report and further years of data. Also rape/sexual assault statistics. Either way, things have not been looking good for Germany the past few years.

Well that ends this thread.

 

[snakedafunky]

It's a strange way to spin a decrease crimes from a peak as "a good thing" to support open borders and refugee-welcome policies.

It's like injuring yourself then applauding the healing process.


Sound about right. Violent crime for immigrants rises to astronomical levels in 2016:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...e-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/05/23/germany-registers-surge-crimes-right-wing-radicals/


OP's article: 2017 Violent crimes are slightly down by 2.4% while murders are up 3.2 (total of 785).

Violent crimes (rapes and assaults etc.) down only 2.4% Murders up.

http://www.dw.com/en/german-study-links-increased-crime-rate-to-migrant-arrivals/a-42006484


Leftist spin: "let's just look at all crimes and say they dropped 10% and claim victory for open border policies and to make countries bring more in - Ireland we're looking at you."

I am not doing any spinning.
That's what you are doing when you try to say I use those numbers to justify open borders or a refugee welcome policy.
Unless of course, you can point out an instance where I have been in favor of that.