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I guess Sherdoggers wouldn't be staying up to watch the votes rolling in for this one, like we did for previous votes in the U.S/U.K/Canada/France.
 
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NY Times Op/Ed:
The German Election Season Is Quiet. Too Quiet.


HAMBURG, Germany — If you haven’t heard anything about the election campaign in Germany, that’s because there isn’t much of one, despite the fact that nationwide elections that will determine, among other things, whether Chancellor Angela Merkel stays or goes are set for Sept. 24.

Yes, we are talking about the same Germany that has taken in roughly one million refugees and migrants in the last two years. The same Germany that bailed out bankrupt European states with billions of euros. The same Germany that has taken a tough stance toward Russia after its annexation of Crimea. The same Germany that is switching off all its nuclear power plants and turning to green energy.

All of this has happened under Ms. Merkel’s watch, and all of it is controversial here. And yet there is little doubt that she will win her fourth run at the chancellorship, which she has held since 2005. According to polls, if the elections were to take place now, she would beat her opponent, the Social Democrat Martin Schulz, by 20 points. As of now, the only question appears to be whether Ms. Merkel will seek a coalition of her Christian Democrats with the Liberals or the Green Party.

And while both candidates have held rallies and made speeches, the public, and even much of the news media, seems either uninterested or resigned to the results. It’s not that Germans are uninterested in politics or the issues; it’s that they’ve accepted the fact that the country’s national politics are locked in place by a centrist consensus that gives them little choice at the ballot box.

This mass resignation highlights two paradoxes about German politics right now.

The first paradox is that German voters are so temperamentally conservative — i.e., afraid of change — that they are about to re-elect a chancellor who has brought about the most drastic changes the country has seen since the fall of the Berlin Wall. “You know me” was Ms. Merkel’s central message in the run-up to the previous elections, in 2013. But it was only after she had retaken office that the Germans really got to know her. Nobody would have believed that this rather reserved, calculating physicist would, based on a gut decision in September 2015, allow several months of largely uncontrolled immigration into Germany. After the influx, Ms. Merkel’s message was “we’ll manage this,” without explaining what exactly “we,” “manage” and “this” mean.

How can this paradox be explained? I’d argue that Germans see it in relative terms — the sheer number of upheavals that have occurred elsewhere give Ms. Merkel the illusion of stability. In 2013, Crimea was an uncontested part of Ukraine, Britain was an uncontested member of the European Union and the American president was an uncontested member of the league of democratic leaders.

Germans know at least two things: The world has become more prone to crises, and Ms. Merkel has both governed through and lived up to these crises. And they’re not wrong. Within the sea of change — although she has been contributing to it — Ms. Merkel is a rock. The idea of putting Mr. Schulz, a man who has never held a government office, in front of Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin or Recep Tayyip Erdogan is simply too adventurous a thought.

The second paradox is that the most important political topic is not being discussed by the most important political parties in public. Only in private do members of the two main parties talk about what it actually is that “we” have to “manage.”

For instance: How do you make sure that Muslim migrants from Afghanistan, Iraq or Northern Africa unambiguously accept values like religious tolerance, equal rights for women and the priority of earthly law over divine commandments? Can those who have a right to stay be integrated into the highly demanding German labor market? And can German authorities develop the thick skin it needs to deport hundreds of thousands of rejected asylum claimants?

Publicly, neither Christian Democrats nor Social Democrats address these issues, because they fear that opening the debate would create an immediate backlash against them, with voters asking why they let in all these people in the first place. Thus, important questions that actually needed to be debated within the political center are left to the fringes. The result will most probably be that an anti-refugee, anti-establishment party, the Alternative für Deutschland, will be elected to Parliament, possibly as the third-largest party. (Polls see it at 8 to 10 percent; it needs just 5 percent to get into the Bundestag.)

The members of Parliament from the Alternative will at times be embarrassing, often a nuisance, but also refreshing. Because no matter whether Ms. Merkel chooses to rule with the Greens or the Liberals, her party will certainly be intent on winning back the voters lost to her right, and the obvious way to do that is to become more open to the anti-immigration, national-minded voter spectrum, pulling her party away from the center just a bit. As the main opposition party, the Social Democrats will likewise be tempted to sharpen their left-wing profile, and highlighting their differences with Ms. Merkel.

In other words, Germany is likely to experience a revival of political difference. This is nothing to deplore. On the contrary, strengthening Germany’s flaccid democracy comes at the right time for a country whose task will increasingly be to safeguard and enhance lively democracy elsewhere in the world.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/opinion/angela-merkel-german-elections.html?referer=
 
@phoenixikki

This was cringeworthy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...point-about-tolerance/?utm_term=.a589b33dcf97



Sven,

Glaubst du an die demokratischen Grundsätze der Trennung von Staat und Religion, der Volkssouveränität, der religiösen und sexuellen Selbstbestimmung, und Gleichstellung der Geschlechter? Ja?

Talk about a serious lack of critical thinking. What these self-loathers don't seem to understand is that it isn't necessarily about having racial or ethnic homogeneity, it's far more distinctly tied to culture and a set of values. When we talk about German (or British, or any European) culture, there's of course references to the profound history of contributions made to fields like philosophy, mathematics, science, engineering, technology, architecture, art, literature, music, cinema and so on, but it's also - even more importantly in this instance - a set of modern day democratic principles to abide by.

Anyone, regardless of their racial or ethnic background can be 'German' or 'British' in terms of nationality so long as there's a real willingness and desire to integrate and embrace the country's customs, language, laws of the land and general way of life, actually strive to become productive members of that society. It isn't "racist" to believe that's something worth preserving, but the opposite is completely irrational if not borderline suicidal.
 
People at SPD "campaign" events have been told to not ask the supposed candidate Martin Schulz about Immigration topics.

German Media is keeping quiet about it as the current polls show a preferred outcome.

current polls:

CDU (christian Democrats) 38-40%
SPD (Social Democrats) 22-24%
AfD (Conservative/Nationalist mish mash) 9-10%
FDP (Liberal Party) 8-9%
Die Linke (Socialists/Communists) 8-9%
Green Party 7-8%
 
wait a minute, Merkel is expected to WIN a re-election? How the hell can that be possible.
 
wait a minute, Merkel is expected to WIN a re-election? How the hell can that be possible.

same way that trump was able to win in US - politics went to shit and majority of people in it are douchebags who care only about their own well being (so you can say basically anything you want and still win cause the opposition is even more retarded)
+ people care about the economy more than about 1mil immigrants in a country of 83mil, and economy has been real good under Merkel
 
Possibly the best meme ever.



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Not the first time they've followed a terrible leader that brought destruction upon them.
 
same way that trump was able to win in US - politics went to shit and majority of people in it are douchebags who care only about their own well being (so you can say basically anything you want and still win cause the opposition is even more retarded)
+ people care about the economy more than about 1mil immigrants in a country of 83mil, and economy has been real good under Merkel

That's kind of natural though tbh. As mentioned in the "Are Muslims A More Common Sight in Europe" thread, Germany is and has always been an absolute global powerhouse where both scientific r&d and technological innovation are concerned. A great number of the 'positive stereotypes' are true in terms of organization, efficiency, craftsmanship and the populace is highly educated, skilled and productive. The massive trade surplus it runs is even greater than China's in absolute terms, although this is almost problematic and a good bit of it down to frugality as well.

This'll all be true until the Muslims finally take over and destroy the country (jokes). Speaking of them, the crime report released by the Federal Ministry of Interior earlier this year doesn't look too positive. There were 174,438 crimes committed by migrants in 2016, up from the 114,238 accounted for in 2015.

https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Kurzmeldungen/DE/Kurzmeldungen/170424_VeroeffentlichungPKS2017.html
 
Speaking of them, the crime report released by the Federal Ministry of Interior earlier this year doesn't look too positive. There were 174,438 crimes committed by migrants in 2016, up from the 114,238 accounted for in 2015.

https://www.bka.de/SharedDocs/Kurzmeldungen/DE/Kurzmeldungen/170424_VeroeffentlichungPKS2017.html
No crime reports of European countries which explicitly name the nationality of offenders look 'too positive'.
It's basically the same story everywhere: Either there is no data or migrants and refugees are grossly overrepresented.
 
Germany is trying to become a 4th Reich. They have an eternal leader who sweeps every election, and they seek to control all of Europe.
 
We all know by now that fuehrer Merkel will be reelected or else it will be night of the long knives part 2
 
Yes, we are talking about the same Germany that has taken in roughly one million refugees and migrants in the last two years.

That's either poorly researched or a misinterpretation of the data. The official number of refugees in 2015 was ~900k plus ~290k in 2016. Yes, that's roughly a million but it's roughly a million _refugees_ (there are two subcategories, actual asylum seekers and something like 'entitled to protection'), not 'refugees and migrants'.
Of course there's migration and immigration (and emigration) independent from the two categories of migrants who are typically called 'refugees'. It's not only factually wrong, it's also relevant because the demographic change and future socioeconomic challenges in Central/Western/Northern Europe aren't limited to "refugees".
 
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No crime reports of European countries which explicitly name the nationality of offenders look 'too positive'. It's basically the same story everywhere: Either there is no data or migrants and refugees are grossly overrepresented.

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People at SPD "campaign" events have been told to not ask the supposed candidate Martin Schulz about Immigration topics.

German Media is keeping quiet about it as the current polls show a preferred outcome.

current polls:

CDU (christian Democrats) 38-40%
SPD (Social Democrats) 22-24%
AfD (Conservative/Nationalist mish mash) 9-10%
FDP (Liberal Party) 8-9%
Die Linke (Socialists/Communists) 8-9%
Green Party 7-8%

too late to nuke???
 
Even if Merkel somehow lost I'm pretty sure the result would either be fixed or ignored.
 

Made me think of this

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Yeah, and of course it's taken straight out of an actual United Nations promo clip. It's a very simple question: What tangible benefits does this provide German culture and society? What sort of plus is it economically when there is already a €100 billion price tag to cater and accommodate these folks through 2020 and only a quarter of them realistically figure to have menial jobs by then? What good does it do in the long run when they've no skills and no desire to integrate, particularly when compounded with ever increasing numbers? That drops the likelihood of the former significantly and is why thousands of straight up Salafists have been allowed to walk right into the country. Kill that brain dead, zombified virtue signaling bullshit. You get the impression some of these people would literally offer themselves up as human sandbags.
 
wait a minute, Merkel is expected to WIN a re-election? How the hell can that be possible.

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And its not like the other parties have a realistic plan on how to fix Germany's issues.
 
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