George Groves vs Chris Eubank Jnr - Saturday 17th February

Don't write Eubank Jr. off. He's still got a lot of talent and has physical gifts that others in that division do not have. What he's missing is proper direction. He should look for a top trainer, one that he can respect and listen to, and take it from there. That will mean pretty much telling his father to go kick rocks.

He fought arrogantly against Groves. Leading with left hooks, not setting up any of his shots and totally abandoning his jab. A proper corner and a gameplan would have done him well in the fight.
 
Saunders is a loser. A pathetic man that ran from Golovkin and talks more than he boxes. He should shut up.

The irony of this considering how the fight being discussed unfoled is absolutely delicious...
 
That's just in poor taste. He already beat him and he's not gunning for a fight with him again. Why kick someone when they're down for no reason other than spite?
Saunders is is a total piece of shit. This doesn't surprise me at all.
 
Don't write Eubank Jr. off. He's still got a lot of talent and has physical gifts that others in that division do not have. What he's missing is proper direction. He should look for a top trainer, one that he can respect and listen to, and take it from there. That will mean pretty much telling his father to go kick rocks.

He fought arrogantly against Groves. Leading with left hooks, not setting up any of his shots and totally abandoning his jab. A proper corner and a gameplan would have done him well in the fight.

Your post is straight from Fantasyland.

Physical talent (Eubank's strong & fit & has a good chin), yes.

Boxing talent? He has no jab, he can't throw punches properly (to generate any power he has to hurl himself clean off his feet, because he has no punch technique), little head movement, his footwork is beyond awful, he cannot cut off a ring, he cannot jab, he cannot deal with a jab, he has no boxing brain (he literally did not posit one response to Groves' solid jabbing, he didn't try to time a counter with a right over the top, he didn't try to go to Groves' body, he didn't try to out-maneouvre his man, he just swiped from way out of range & hoped to get lucky), his vaunted, displayed-against-stiffs power isn't all that ("average" hitter Badou Jack hurt Groves much more seriously) ... Even inside, Groves got the better of it & landed the better cleaner punches, when Eubank wasn't hitting legally (on the break, holding with one hand & hitting with the other or clear rabbit punches).

Yeah, he's a physical talent. Boxing history is littered with physical talents, who went nowhere & got nowhere. He got where he is by virtue of his name & that afforded him hype & a very easy ride.

What your positing is a lifetime's fucking work, not something that six months in a tight camp is going to sort out. To do what you're suggesting (combine that athletic talent with some boxing basics), you don't need a new trainer, you need a fuckin' time machine to go back to when he's like seven years old & start him all over again. & possibly a baseball bat to hit his old man with every single time he opens his mouth.

He lost ten rounds against a guy that basically fucked up & fought below par—Groves abandoned the jab for long stretches 'cos he thought one of those rights would land on the button & Eubank would go; GG has form here & it's cost him before.

Eubank is at the same level as every fit guy with no basics has ever been. It'll be enough to overwhelm domestic level fighters whose mediocre skills cannot compensate for their massively inferior physical capacity (which is why, FYI, they're domestic-level), washed-up superior fighters & smaller guys (not to mention the litany of scrubs, tomato cans & Latvian binmen his record is littered with). Anyone who can box to a superior international level will do the same to him.

You talk as if he's a well-schooled guy who occasionally drops his guard after a certain move or exposes himself via an inappropriate tactical choice—fine-tuning. He does not need fine-tuning, he needs the entire wiring loom ripped out, a new engine, a totally different suspension system, different size wheels & tyres, a different transmission & whole new chassis, with different bodywork, too!

Good day, sir.
 
Eubank could be decent if he got a real trainer and listened to them. Of course, he's probably never going to do those things.
 
Eubank could be decent if he got a real trainer and listened to them. Of course, he's probably never going to do those things.
Unfortunately DaveDave has a point.

A good trainer won't improve Eubank's punch power or overall natural physical strength.

He's like an 18yr old fighting a fully grown man.

He hit Nick Blackwell so many times he gave him brain trauma sooner than he could KO him.

He 100% needs to go MW, his game plan is all sorts of exposed, if he closes just move forward and tie him up, job done, his attacks nullified.

Because Eubank is built like a boxer not a brawler, brawlers who fight in close have one punch KO power hence why tying them up is still risky, against 20 punches Eubank its not risky.
 
To say Eubanks should quit boxing is fans overreacting. He is not an elite fighter but most boxers not elite fighters.
 
Because Eubank is built like a boxer not a brawler, brawlers who fight in close have one punch KO power hence why tying them up is still risky, against 20 punches Eubank its not risky.

Lol, no, this is very wrong. Plenty of fighters who don't have much power still made a name for themselves fighting largely on the inside. To say that you have to have one punch type of power, a rare ability in its own right, to flourish on the inside, is objectively untrue.

A lot of the best punchers in the history of the sport actually get most of their power from in the pocket or at a bit of distance outside the pocket. It's harder to get as much leverage on your shots when you're inside, fighting so close to your opponent can smother much of that power/leverage on your shots.
 
Don't write Eubank Jr. off. He's still got a lot of talent and has physical gifts that others in that division do not have. What he's missing is proper direction. He should look for a top trainer, one that he can respect and listen to, and take it from there. That will mean pretty much telling his father to go kick rocks.

He fought arrogantly against Groves. Leading with left hooks, not setting up any of his shots and totally abandoning his jab. A proper corner and a gameplan would have done him well in the fight.
Couldn't agree more. Chris Eubank is, quite literally, punching above his weight as his son's mentor.
 
Lol, no, this is very wrong. Plenty of fighters who don't have much power still made a name for themselves fighting largely on the inside. To say that you have to have one punch type of power, a rare ability in its own right, to flourish on the inside, is objectively untrue.

A lot of the best punchers in the history of the sport actually get most of their power from in the pocket or at a bit of distance outside the pocket. It's harder to get as much leverage on your shots when you're inside, fighting so close to your opponent can smother much of that power/leverage on your shots.

I never said you "have" to have one punch KO power, I said "if" you have one punch KO power it a lot more risky for your opponent to think they can just tie you up the way Groves did to Eubank, Groves did get caught with some but they never had the weight on them to trouble Groves or make him rethink his strategy.

Eubank's issue was two fold, he didn't know how to get in close via skill, he didn't punch hard enough to trouble Groves.

I've fought good Heavyweights before and you can't just box them with the same composure the way you would someone more your weight so I understand why Jr was loading up, however that is a good indicator that he needs to go back to MW so he can box and stay composed.
 
I never said you "have" to have one punch KO power, I said "if" you have one punch KO power it a lot more risky for your opponent to think they can just tie you up the way Groves did to Eubank, Groves did get caught with some but they never had the weight on them to trouble Groves or make him rethink his strategy.

Eubank's issue was two fold, he didn't know how to get in close via skill, he didn't punch hard enough to trouble Groves.

I've fought good Heavyweights before and you can't just box them with the same composure the way you would someone more your weight so I understand why Jr was loading up, however that is a good indicator that he needs to go back to MW so he can box and stay composed.
Eubank was having tons of trouble closing the distance, for sure. I thought the ref didn't allow Eubank to work inside enough, thought he did a shit job in a few respects esp breaking the fight too soon and not calling at least one of those kd's that looked legit from Groves. Not only did Eubank have what looked like less than an elementary schooling in closing the distance, but every time he tried to get inside Groves was crushing him with that counter right.

The fact that Eubank kept slowly and predictably leaning to his right for his go to "defense" was setting himself up even more for that right hand that Groves kept crushing him with. He was very ugly in that fight. Groves was having his way with that right hand, although later in the fight Eubank started to get his hook in b/c Groves got a bit too comfortable trying to stand in the pocket and land that right coming in. He got a bit tired and got tagged hard a few times, mistiming that counter. I do think Eubank should've been allowed to work on the inside more. Groves did do a good job holding but there were several times where the ref broke it while Eubank still had his hand/s free and was working legally.

That being said Groves took his shots pretty well and one of Eubank's biggest mistakes was neglecting the body. Every single time he got inside he was headhunting and never bothered to work the body which could've helped him put money in the bank. He probably still would've lost but he's usually a pretty brutal body puncher and this time he was too busy trying to land big head shots instead of trying to tire and hurt George to the body.

If he can get back to 160 then he should definitely do it. Groves was much bigger than him in there. And was just better.
 
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