Four Young Illegal Immigrants Committed Serious Crimes in the Last Month

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  1. Possum Jenkins

    Possum Jenkins Cultural Marxism Belt

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    Harris's statement refers to DACA recipients. No one is arguing for the removal of the crime/serious misdemeanor requirement.

    So DACA recipients playing by the rules is accurate.
     
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    Immigrants sure do love to rape.
     
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    If over 2,000 of them have already been removed from the program due to illegal activity, and hundreds more will be removed this year due to criminal activity, then it's fair to say that the statement "DACA recipients are playing by the rules" is false.

    Harris could have said "Some of the DACA recipients are playing by the rules", or even "Most DACA recipients are playing by the rules", but those statements wouldn't have the same political impact.
     
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    MSNBC cited a poll today that has the majority believing that Democrats are better at handling Immigration.

    How is that possible? Immigration is the one issue where Democrats are completely hypocritical. They are firmly against states rights on same sex marriage, abortion, affirmative action, etc, yet only on immigration are they FOR states rights over federal law. And even worse, they are against local municipal rights on the matter because dozens of local governments are pushing back on sanctuary cities in CA.
     
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    Nope. When they commit crimes they're no longer DACA recipients and receive none of its benefits.

    But as usual, playing the semantics game is the last refuge when you're trapped and have no other argument. "We have to figure out the meaning of what 'is' is"
     
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    That's a nice dodge. The only conceivable goal of such a dodge is to get people to ignore the thousands of victims of the felonies that the DACA recipients have committed. It is you and Harris who are using weak semantic arguments to attempt to trick people into thinking that granting amnesty to a huge group of illegal aliens won't have any ill effects whatsoever. The point of this entire discussion is that it's wrong to generalize about a large class of people. It also leads to biased policymaking.

    When Harris says "these 'kids' are playing by the rules" and thus should be granted protected status, she's not being candid. That group of 'kids' (actually almost 100% are adults, average age 25) contains thousands of people who will commit or are in the process of committing felonies. The evidence is in the record: thousands have already been removed from the program due to a history of felonies.

    To take it even further: it is overwhelmingly likely that your statement is false on its face. I would wager confidently that there are DACA-protected individuals right now who have committed felonies but who have not yet been removed from the DACA program owing to bureaucracy and paperwork.

    PR works regardless of the validity of the underlying argument. You and Harris have slapped a feel-good euphemistic label on a group of illegal aliens in the name of granting them citizenship. When they commit felonies, just kick them out of the group. Ignore the dead bodies and the rape victims whose suffering you played a role in.
     
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    Honestly. You are just getting tore up in these exchanges, dude
     
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    Dude, you'd take "actually I'm a Republican" as "tearing someone up." Be honest. The guy literally said that he wished Trump would hire 10 people like Miller in the *same post* that he denied praising him. Objectively, he's tearing himself up.
     
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    He was speaking about Miller on ONE issue

    I'm telling u. It's as if u don't even read what he actually posts. And u just accuse him of all sorts of crap but won't back any of it up
     
  10. waiguoren

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    I believe in precision of language.

    praise:

    v. tr.
    to commend; to express a favorable judgment of

    The term "praise" connotes an emotional meaning, which is implicit in the use of the term "favorable". I don't "judge Miller favorably". I merely agree with Miller's views on immigration and would prefer that Miller's preferred immigration policies be implemented in our country. It's a subtle but non-trivial distinction.
     
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    If only there was some law that prevented people from coming into the country illegally and raping/murdering.
     
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    Obviously any policy dealing with large groups of people will have some ill effects. Once again, everyone but the completely clueless or shamefully dishonest realizes this. You make decisions based on the best available options, not based on what will work 100%. If you did, nothing would ever get done.

    You take any population nearing 1 million and there will be some that commit crimes at some point. If Harris or anyone else made a statement saying "these kids are guaranteed to pla by the rules for the rest of their lives," then you may have a point.

    Your last line just underscores your astounding dishonesty. This is right-wing shock jock level. Good job.
     
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    I totally agree with this, and you're making my point. Public figures like Harris should be more responsible with their words---less bleary-eyed sobbing about "the kids!" and more acknowledgment that there are costs as well as benefits to DACA. Have you ever heard Harris, Jimmy Kimmel, Cory Booker, Ellen Degeneres, Bernie Sanders, or Stephen Colbert talk about the fact that thousands of DACA recipients have committed felonies and were therefore removed from the DACA program?

    We ought to demand honest and balanced messaging from our public figures on this issue.

    When one's statements on the DACA issue never mention the downsides of the program while focusing only on the highest performers among that group, they are painting an inaccurate picture which will mislead millions. It is our patriotic duty to present the other side so that a more accurate picture is painted.

    There is nothing dishonest about it. There is blood on the hands of the people who pushed for the protection program without mentioning its downsides. Given the sheer number of felonies committed by DACA recipients (over 2,100 and counting), it is fair to estimate that in the absence of DACA, some of those felons would have been deported before committing the felonies.
     

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