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ildottore said:
If the rulesets and techniques are nearly identical, if the only major difference is philosophical, then how is it a different sport?
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You're right, muay thai should be rightfully called Kun Khmer.
 
ildottore said:
If the rulesets and techniques are nearly identical, if the only major difference is philosophical, then how is it a different sport?
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because it happens in japan. They also claim they invented k1 rules out of Seidokan karate and that k1 is not kickboxing but separate even thou 20 years before k1 came around the exact same rule reset was being used all over the world and called "oriental kickboxing"
 
Yodsanan said:
You're right, muay thai should be rightfully called Kun Khmer.
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I'm not saying kickboxing or muay thai should be called anything. It's just weird how kickboxing under the traditional ruleset is recognized as an altogether different sport. I would be surprised if Thais consider kun khmer and similar to be distinctly different sports from muay thai.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Hey dude. Welcome to the club! This place definitely has its quirks. Glory and K-1 are the best ones to get started with, but there are also some awesome Chinese promotions like Kunlun. For Muay Thai to get info go to muaythai2000.com and for fight videos videos you have to subscribe to a bunch of youtube channels. The main one is muay thai daily.
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UWanaPlayDaGame said:
Welcome mate.

for streams there is this page where you can watch thai TV <http://www.adintrend.com/hd/ch33> but I wouldn't care to watch it live as it airs at around noon/early morning in the western world. what I do is check "Muay thai program" at muaythai2000 so I know when there are big fights then when the day comes I avoid spoilers and watch them at night on youtube. only when I have free time then I'll look for hidden gems at muay thai daily channel but that's not very often, unfortunately.

once you get familiar with a few top fighters and which days are the "big" muay thai days (weekdays mostly) and where to look for info (siamfightnews FB mostly) it's really not that hard to follow. check the "Stadium champions" session on muaythai2000 and get in touch with some of the ranked guys.

a good way to start watching the best fights of recent times is to take a look at Kanka's post from this morning <http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/r...rom-thailand.2961757/page-182#post-128857609> I personally recommend the Sangmanee vs. Tanonchai fights (they've fought nine times already but the last one was something from out of this world); if you wanna watch pure insanity then check out Pornsanae and if you wanna watch something that can only be seen in the stadiums then check out the clinch war Seksan vs. Rotlek.
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Thanks so much! This is awesome. I feel like I discovered a great TV show with like 5 seasons to marathon :D

On a side note, I've been watching the old K-1 MAX GPs lately, and god those were so much fun. I checked wikipedia, and it seems like that they kind of stopped doing those? Or is it just tucked away somewhere I'm missing...
 
ElectricApple said:
Thanks so much! This is awesome. I feel like I discovered a great TV show with like 5 seasons to marathon :D

On a side note, I've been watching the old K-1 MAX GPs lately, and god those were so much fun. I checked wikipedia, and it seems like that they kind of stopped doing those? Or is it just tucked away somewhere I'm missing...
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no they really stopped it. other guys here will be able to give you a much more in depth explanation but long story short, K-1 was backed financially by a major japanese TV network that pulled the plug on it around 2010-2012 due to shady K-1 ties to Yakuza and overall corruption. The K-1 brand has been reborn the last few years focusing on FW and LW divisions now. they still put out some really good shows - the last 8-man FW tournament was very cool with one of the best fights of the year so far - look for Gonnapar vs. Urabe on youtube.

and catch up on those K-1 WGP videos before evil ufc takes everything down as they've recently acquired the rights to the entire K-1 library.
 
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UWanaPlayDaGame said:
no they really stopped it. other guys here will be able to give you a much more in depth explanation but long story short, K-1 was backed financially by a major japanese TV network that pulled the plug on it around 2010-2012 due to shady K-1 ties to Yakuza and overall corruption. The K-1 brand has been reborn the last few years focusing on FW and LW divisions now. they still put out some really good shows - the last 8-man LW tournament was very cool with one of the best fights of the year so far - look for Gonnapar vs. Urabe on youtube.

and catch up on those K-1 WGP videos before evil ufc takes everything down as they've recently acquired the rights to the entire K-1 library.
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k1 japan also runs a 70 kg tournament. Marat won the first one and on june 18 they will have the second one.
 
ElectricApple said:
Thanks so much! This is awesome. I feel like I discovered a great TV show with like 5 seasons to marathon :D

On a side note, I've been watching the old K-1 MAX GPs lately, and god those were so much fun. I checked wikipedia, and it seems like that they kind of stopped doing those? Or is it just tucked away somewhere I'm missing...
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Ya to put it simply, old K-1 collapsed and reformed as K-1 Japan. They have a HW fight every now and then, but for the most part they are 70-55kg so basically the WEC of Kickboxing. They still have 70kg(MAX) but the best 70kg guys are divided among promotions so its not quite the same.
 
Panpayak would be more well known to worldwide audience if he fought mma like Tenshin did and a YouTube made a video about him.
 
I just saw Notakrit Kor Kumpanart fight and lose to QJL in GOHs. Now, this guy is now 28 years old and no ones idea of an elite thai, he was pretty good at one time but not anymore (I believe he used to fight under the name Notakrit Namplatrahoimook), and he fights at 145lbs-147lbs. I've never seen him kickbox before, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was his first bout. And I haven't ever seen his name brought up in the discussion of possible kickboxing crossovers and I don't think that most people even know he exists, despite fighting at 145lbs. And yet he was still able to give QJL all he could handle and his performance suggests that there are other "elite" kickboxers who he could beat.

But just forget all that and remember how special and amazing Sittichai, Buakaw, Kaew, etc. are every time they fight. And how fortunate we are that we get to enjoy their special talents, instead of the of insufficient talents of guys like Chujaroen, Petmorakot, Tawanchai and others. Sittichai says that no other thais could succeed in kickboxing right now and his word is good enough for me.
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
I just saw Notakrit Kor Kumpanart fight and lose to QJL in GOHs. Now, this guy is now 28 years old and no ones idea of an elite thai, he was pretty good at one time but not anymore (I believe he used to fight under the name Notakrit Namplatrahoimook), and he fights at 145lbs-147lbs. I've never seen him kickbox before, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was his first bout. And I haven't ever seen his name brought up in the discussion of possible kickboxing crossovers and I don't think that most people even know he exists, despite fighting at 145lbs. And yet he was still able to give QJL all he could handle and his performance suggests that there are other "elite" kickboxers who he could beat.

But just forget all that and remember how special and amazing Sittichai, Buakaw, Kaew, etc. are every time they fight. And how fortunate we are that we get to enjoy their special talents, instead of the of insufficient talents of guys like Chujaroen, Petmorakot, Tawanchai and others. Sittichai says that no other thais could succeed in kickboxing right now and his word is good enough for me.
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Sittichai never said that.

But yeah if one fight proves so much why don't you go watch Sangmanee getting knocked down by some random farang in Top King and draw your conclusions from one fight...

Giving QJL a good fight is not the same as dominating the entire 70 kg division and being almost undefeated.
 
jtwarwagon4life said:
I just saw Notakrit Kor Kumpanart fight and lose to QJL in GOHs. Now, this guy is now 28 years old and no ones idea of an elite thai, he was pretty good at one time but not anymore (I believe he used to fight under the name Notakrit Namplatrahoimook), and he fights at 145lbs-147lbs. I've never seen him kickbox before, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was his first bout. And I haven't ever seen his name brought up in the discussion of possible kickboxing crossovers and I don't think that most people even know he exists, despite fighting at 145lbs. And yet he was still able to give QJL all he could handle and his performance suggests that there are other "elite" kickboxers who he could beat.

But just forget all that and remember how special and amazing Sittichai, Buakaw, Kaew, etc. are every time they fight. And how fortunate we are that we get to enjoy their special talents, instead of the of insufficient talents of guys like Chujaroen, Petmorakot, Tawanchai and others. Sittichai says that no other thais could succeed in kickboxing right now and his word is good enough for me.
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Video? QJL lost to Hlali too but you never know with Hlali, he gets gift decisions on the regular. Jianliang is a muay thai fighter himself anyway....
 
Kanka said:
Sittichai never said that.

But yeah if one fight proves so much why don't you go watch Sangmanee getting knocked down by some random farang in Top King and draw your conclusions from one fight...

Giving QJL a good fight is not the same as dominating the entire 70 kg division and being almost undefeated.
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Kanka said:
Sittichai himself said there are only a few thais right now that he thinks would be succesful in kickboxing.
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What does this mean then?

Watching one fight certainly proves more than appealing to the authority of a top kickboxer. I already know that good thais can come into kickboxing and wreck shop, there is already a large enough sample size to draw that conclusion. It's other people on here who seem to be in total denial. But if you want to talk about drawing unreasonable conclusions from one fight, you are the one who keeps bringing up the Sangmanee fight over and over again; like it means something in the larger scheme of things. It wasn't even a kickboxing bout.

If he can give QJL a good fight, given who he is and where he is at in his career, then what would a good thai who was actually close to their physical prime be able to do? Also the question wasn't whether someone can be the same fighter as Sittichai, although I am quite confident that there are many fighters who can do exactly what Sittichai did, but whether they can be successful in kickboxing; which is obviously a lower standard.

Buakaw, Sittichai, Kaew, Superbon, Yodsanklai, etc. all got lucky and hit the international kickfighting jackpot. But instead of being viewed for what they were, a couple of guys who got moved from a shark tank to a minnow tank, they were retroactively declared to be muay thai gods without peer.
 
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jtwarwagon4life said:
What does this mean then?

Watching one fight certainly proves more than appealing to the authority of a top kickboxer. I already know that good thais can come into kickboxing and wreck shop, there is already a large enough sample size to draw that conclusion. It's other people on here who seem to be in total denial. But if you want to talk about drawing unreasonable conclusions from one fight, you are the one who keeps bringing up the Sangmanee fight over and over again; like it means something in the larger scheme of things. It wasn't even a kickboxing bout.

If he can give QJL a good fight, given who he is and where he is at in his career, then what would a good thai who was actually close to their physical prime be able to do? Also the question wasn't whether someone can be the same fighter as Sittichai, although I am quite confident that there are many fighters who can do exactly what Sittichai did, but whether they can be successful in kickboxing; which is obviously a lower standard.

Buakaw, Sittichai, Kaew, Superbon, Yodsanklai, etc. all got lucky and hit the international kickfighting jackpot. But instead of being viewed for what they were, a couple of guys who got moved from a shark tank to a minnow tank, they were retroactively declared to be muay thai gods without peer.
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Big difference between only a few and only him? I don't know why you keep twisting words all the time

Obviously any decent thai will give someone of QJLs caliber a good fight and either lose or beat him, but i don't think anyone on here is surprised of the outcome of that fight? Qui Jian Liang is also a 27 year old non elite muay thai fighter who does well in kickboxing so that comparison doesn't even make sense. Since you're making those weird comparisons to prove a point i might aswell mention the Sangmanee fight (which i don't recall doing prior to this) because obviously the fight would have looked different if it was a 5 round stadium bout.

Many thais can enter top 5 in 65 and 70 kg but i guess Sittichai was speaking relatively to his own succes in his career. If it's so easy to dominate the division you would think that there would be more incentive for out of prime thais or even farangs that fight out of thai gyms to do so.
 
Whenever you want to twist what others say in favor of your own opinion just post here
 
Kanka said:
Big difference between only a few and only him? I don't know why you keep twisting words all the time

Obviously any decent thai will give someone of QJLs caliber a good fight and either lose or beat him, but i don't think anyone on here is surprised of the outcome of that fight? Qui Jian Liang is also a 27 year old non elite muay thai fighter who does well in kickboxing so that comparison doesn't even make sense. Since you're making those weird comparisons to prove a point i might aswell mention the Sangmanee fight (which i don't recall doing prior to this) because obviously the fight would have looked different if it was a 5 round stadium bout.

Many thais can enter top 5 in 65 and 70 kg but i guess Sittichai was speaking relatively to his own succes in his career. If it's so easy to dominate the division you would think that there would be more incentive for out of prime thais or even farangs that fight out of thai gyms to do so.
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None of this makes any sense.
 
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