I purchased a pair of Forty Thieves Shorts back in December at a Total Combat event in Yuma. At first glance they seemed like any other shorts. Although when I took a closer look, that was definitly not the case. The new concepts in which these shorts had is what intrigued me such as the neoprene waistband and crotch area, the velcro waist strap, the lightweight material, and the low profile logo (Im not a fan of the "look-at-me im a Full Contact Fighter!" type logos). The owner also hooked me up on great deal as well. I have since then tried them out a good 15 times on the mat. They're awesome!!! Not only are they durable but the velcro (which i was kind of skeptical about) stood up to its function. The neoprene was an awesome concept how they just bind to you as well as the movement in the shorts were free flowing. They dried up really quickly, which is also great. I not only use these just on the mat, but when I surf too. If any of you guys surf without wetsuits, these are great. I recommend them to anyone, they're the best bang for the buck. Ive since then bought a couple shirts form their website, and what can I say, im a fan of their products and their service ( would you believe if I said got my shirts in 2 days?). Id like to see what they'll come up with next.