Former WWs Gastelum, Whitaker and GSP are 11-1 combined at MW.

[The Renegade]

Useless information. Gsp and Kelvin both are beating only old and fading MWs.
GSP will lose to top MWs and Kelvin already has lost.

What top MW's? Romero and jacare are old and clearly fading. Weidman is a mess, Bisping at least went out on his shield, Anderson is a fucking joke. Whittaker will probably lose to GSP despite what most are currently saying. Rockhold is by far the most skilled but he folds like a paper bag. MW is a shit show without these guys moving up.

 

[ineverpost]

Discrediting Gastelum by saying he got beat by Magny is in theme with this thread. That just discredits the MW division when you do that. Kennedy, Bisping, and Belfort were all high on the MW rankings when Gastelum beat them. Also, don't act like he wasn't giving Weidman a run for his money outside of the TD's.

The theme of the thread is that Kelvin is being fed guys who are all almost 40 years old so he can give fans highlight reel knockouts. This is part of a larger and disturbing trend of the UFC giving 0 fucks about running an actual sport. Fights no longer make sense. Bisping just got KO by GSP and 3 weeks later he is literally being teed up to get his head knocked off. they let Gegard, arguably the most skilled MW in the game walk away from the organization. I'm not sure what the UFC long term plan is but they're playing a dangerous game hedging the future of their company on mainstream appeal, rather than the base that got them to this point in the first place.

 

[ineverpost]

Lol at "proven anything", like Gastelum hasnt done shit at MW. Whitaker also moved up because he got beaten by Wonderboy and Court McGee at WW. WW >>>>>>>>>MW.

He beat Yoel Romero. Neutralized his wrestling and out struck him. That is a complete and legit mixed martial artist. Not a bloated 170 lber that will to lose to every wrestler he faces.

 

[RayA]

The theme of the thread is that Kelvin is being fed guys who are all almost 40 years old so he can give fans highlight reel knockouts. This is part of a larger and disturbing trend of the UFC giving 0 fucks about running an actual sport. Fights no longer make sense. Bisping just got KO by GSP and 3 weeks later he is literally being teed up to get his head knocked off. they let Gegard, arguably the most skilled MW in the game walk away from the organization. I'm not sure what the UFC long term plan is but they're playing a dangerous game hedging the future of their company on mainstream appeal, rather than the base that got them to this point in the first place.

I agree with all the above, except this thread isn't just about Gastelum.
This thread was about how 3 WW moved up and are doing well at MW, which is true. Now it is true that the old timers were on their way out when they fought Gastelum, but it still doesn't change the fact that they were still some of the top ranked fighters at MW.

Now the question is, are they doing well in the MW division because WW is deeper and the top of WW can hang with the top of MW, or is it JUST because they were all old?

Personally, I think it's both.
Side note, TS left out Hendricks which would skew his 11-1 point. Then again, he's just plain washed up.

Also, yeah, it's sad how the UFC is putting money before legitimate rankings.

 

[20falarVerdades]

What top MW's? Romero and jacare are old and clearly fading. Weidman is a mess, Bisping at least went out on his shield, Anderson is a fucking joke. Whittaker will probably lose to GSP despite what most are currently saying. Rockhold is by far the most skilled but he folds like a paper bag. MW is a shit show without these guys moving up.

Romero is fading because he lost a 3-2 decision?

 

[The Renegade]

Romero is fading because he lost a 3-2 decision?

Age always wins, you can't expect Romero to keep losing rounds and then pull a sledgehammer out of his hat over and over again. Especially as he gets older. Same thing happened to Fedor.

 

[The guest]

Ww goat division

It was for a long time, imo.

 

[Obsidian Fracture]

Weight cutting, especially big cuts like Whittaker and Kelvin were making, which were only getting bigger as they naturally got bigger with age, have some advantages and disadvantages. Small cutters will tend to be faster and it should help their chins and cardio. KO ability is often maintained through speed advantage and adding a few pounds putting more behind their strikes.

The problem is when smaller guys run into the young, bigger boys of MW. I'm talking the Luke Rockholds and Chris Weidmans. They may be able to use their size to overpower the smaller guys in the grappling/clinching, negating any advantages smaller MWs had. Reach advantage is also factor on the feet.

Pros and Cons of big cutting weight are really what we are looking at. It differs fighter to fighter and from fight to fight. It also helps that MW and above are more shallow talent pools then WW to FW.

 

[Chris John]

Lol at "proven anything", like Gastelum hasnt done shit at MW. Whitaker also moved up because he got beaten by Wonderboy and Court McGee at WW. WW >>>>>>>>>MW.

Whittaker has said that he moved up because he was spending too much time managing his weight and not enough time working on his skillset at WW.

That's a great reason to move up.

 

[DariusTheGreat]

Another noticeable fact is the success of lightweights like Masvidal, RDA, Cerrone etc. who moved to WW and made decent headway.

 

[The Judo Champ]

How’s Johnny Hendricks and Lombard doing?

 

[bambammccoy]

Kelvin and Whittakers styles both excell when they have a significant speed advantage.

Plus, they are both crafty as fuck.

 

[djason1988]

WW is a far more skilled division. Whittaker and Kelvin are doing so well because most of the big dogs at MW are grapplers with non-exceptional striking.

BOOM There it is, /thread.

Seriously, when chinny Rocksalt is considered one of the best strikers at mw, there's a lack of skills there.

 

[bambammccoy]

How’s Johnny Hendricks and Lombard doing?

How were they doing before they moved up?

 

[bambammccoy]

BOOM There it is, /thread.

Seriously, when chinny Rocksalt is considered one of the best strikers at mw, there's a lack of skills there.

To be fair, it's hard for anyone to deal with a solid southpaw with a heavy triple threat offense.

Cro cop did exceptionally well in the heavyweight division of K1 and kickboxing when it actually mattered without hardly using his right leg and hardly throwing anything with his right hand.

Well timed and heavy left round body kicks, left round head kicks, and left straights all paired together is hard to deal with even for elite guys.

And you have to factor in the threat of TD, or in Luke's case threat of sweeps and subs with a vicious top game. Which IMO helps GSP strike better than he actually is capable of if he was terrible at shooting TDs.

There are guys at WW and LW getting by mostly on the triple threat offense.

 

[JustBleed69]

If we count Kelvin`s KO over Vitor (NC because of kannabis). They have wins over Vitor, Bisping x2, Kennedy, Romero, Jacare, Brunson, etc.

It is because WW >>>>>>>>>> MW in general, or youth and speed (Whitaker and Gastelum) >>>>>>>>>> experience and size advantage.

Or is it both? I think those old dinosaurs at MW got just too old. Weidman is still in his prime and he finished Kelvin.

WW has always been a stronger division that MW.

 

[stinkynecklace]

How are Hendricks and Lombard doing at MW?

 

[Melas Chasma]

How are Hendricks and Lombard doing at MW?

Both are just out of their primes, and Hendricks already lost 3 fights in a row at WW before moving up. Lombard is also a bad example since he was majority of his (successful) career a small MW.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

If we count Kelvin`s KO over Vitor (NC because of kannabis). They have wins over Vitor, Bisping x2, Kennedy, Romero, Jacare, Brunson, etc.

It is because WW >>>>>>>>>> MW in general, or youth and speed (Whitaker and Gastelum) >>>>>>>>>> experience and size advantage.

Or is it both? I think those old dinosaurs at MW got just too old. Weidman is still in his prime and he finished Kelvin.

Im not reading that because Robbie Lawlor dropped down as a shit MW and became WW champ.

 

[CereserBr]

nice