Floyd Patterson vs Rocky Marciano

Discussion in 'Boxing Discussion' started by Boxer, Jun 6, 2018.

  1. mozfonky

    mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,164
    Likes Received:
    1,430
    Location:
    x
    I'm seeing stats that patterson was knocked down anywhere from 16 to 22 times during his career, they always said he held the record for a HW champion being knocked down (Patterson optimistically used to say "if I held the record for going down, i held the one for getting back up too") I'm seeing some say that ezzard charles was put down 30 times but i always heard floyd held that record. Floyd was very protected as champion too, I can't really see a case against Marciano, he wasn't any of the things that someone would need to beat Marciano aside from a very clever boxer. He wasn't big (some say he could have been a middleweight) he could punch really good but Rocky could take a good shot, he wasn't especially courageous, like I said, kind of a headcase. Character wins many fights and it would win this one.
     
  2. TownBiz

    TownBiz Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card Yellow Card Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2017
    Messages:
    1,158
    Likes Received:
    228
    compare floyd's competition to marciano's...big difference.
     
  3. Boxer

    Boxer Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2003
    Messages:
    3,311
    Likes Received:
    368
    Its based purely on their individual statistics, reach is reach, height is height, angles are angles.

    If you read it properly rather than trying to put words in my mouth so you can be a jackass you'd see I also look at the Patterson vs Liston fight as very similar issues.

    Are they "great" enough for you or are comparisons just not allowed according to you?

    Patterson and Rocky are practically the same size and both short respective reach.

    Liston finishes them both.
     
  4. Bamboozled

    Bamboozled Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2018
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    2,856
    Location:
    Intrepid Traveler
    They are not the same fighters, don't have the same game plans, don't have the same conditioning, punching power, footowkr or overall strategy. The thing about boxing is that it's a sport that requires your brain more than anything. It just depends if you can actually do it. Things like reach and height only go so far. You are never, and won't ever have the ability to be at their level and see the game how they saw it. You can analyze the fight on their behalf but basing it off of yours is just kinda silly.
     
    Jhonni5 likes this.
  5. ironfist05

    ironfist05 Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2012
    Messages:
    12,342
    Likes Received:
    2,917
    deeply insightful!
     
    Jhonni5 likes this.
  6. HardasNAILZ

    HardasNAILZ Hard, always HARD.

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2007
    Messages:
    1,874
    Likes Received:
    951
    Location:
    YA MUM
    Pulev by KO
     
    ironfist05 likes this.
  7. Boxer

    Boxer Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2003
    Messages:
    3,311
    Likes Received:
    368
    I'm not just comparing it to mine though am I?

    I've boxed those stats before, Patterson was even worse off and he had better movement and speed than Rocky.

    What I'm saying is in a nutshell Rocky will lose to Liston and I don't see anyway for him to get any advantage.

    He's got a reach, power, weight and height disadvantage and he can't even come up and under as both he and Patterson liked to do because Liston wasn't tall enough for that to be overly effective.

    Your argument changes none of that, regardless of my own experience as an undefeated amateur.
     
    Jhonni5 likes this.
  8. mozfonky

    mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,164
    Likes Received:
    1,430
    Location:
    x
    you got a point with the height, one reason ali didn't really catch patterson clean was because he was so much taller, he looked like a man against a boy at the ring introductions, Patterson was really small. Most of Ali's punches went over his head, tyson, ironically, had the same trouble when he fought the only heavyweight his height, Peekaboo trained Buster Mathis, throwing punches as high as he was used to, Mathis made him miss a lot, and even managed to stun Tyson even though he wasn't a puncher.
     
  9. Bamboozled

    Bamboozled Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2018
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    2,856
    Location:
    Intrepid Traveler
    You boxing someone with those "stats" is completely irrelevant.

    The thing about Liston is he blitzed through dudes and I think it's pretty safe to say he isn't going to demolish a dude like Marciano. I also don't know if Lison can beat someone where he constantly has them on their back food and never giving them a good angle to hit. Rock has underrated head movement and Liston wasn't the fastest dude. Liston had dynamite in both hands, but I doubt he keeps that dynamite after 6-8 rounds vs Marciano.
     
  10. mrsenor

    mrsenor Brown Belt

    Joined:
    May 3, 2015
    Messages:
    4,053
    Likes Received:
    2,335
  11. mozfonky

    mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,164
    Likes Received:
    1,430
    Location:
    x
    underrated skill, which i thought the first time i watched a docu on him. the triple left hook he put harry kid matthews down with is a rarity and unheard of for someone who supposedly is clumsy and had two left feet. I don't know why people can't respect great champions for what they were in their times. It really isn't possible to put a dempsey or johnson in against a modern fighter and even if it were, i don't know if they could even be competitive, that's besides the point for me, i try to look at them with what they had at the time to work with. Jerry Izenberg said something surprising in a recent interview, he said that Joe Louis was greater than Ali, surprising not only because he was there for Ali's whole career but also even most people who couldn't stand Ali thought he was too big, too mobile and had too good a chin to be beaten by Louis, different times, different styles and techniques along with different sized human beings.
     
    mrsenor likes this.
  12. mozfonky

    mozfonky We oughta be fightin' a bottle of Geritol.

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2003
    Messages:
    9,164
    Likes Received:
    1,430
    Location:
    x
    Liston was pretty awesome in some of the footage i've seen, not the strongest guy mentally but he was something, never fulfilled his true potential, like Tyson.
     
    Jhonni5 and Bamboozled like this.
  13. djacobox372

    djacobox372 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2006
    Messages:
    18,872
    Likes Received:
    2,713
    Patterson, not much of a contest.

    Rock has a punchers chance, that's it.
     
    TownBiz likes this.
  14. Boxer

    Boxer Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2003
    Messages:
    3,311
    Likes Received:
    368
    Patterson had good head movement.

    Liston could easily keep Rocky back with that long reach of his by jabbing to the body and chest rather than the head, then tee off on him.
    Rocky is going to take too much punishment trying to get on the inside and even when / if he gets there Liston is stronger.

    Also Liston could "demolish Rocky" Rocky never fought any HW's bigger than him with the quality of Liston.
     

Share This Page