Discussion in 'The War Room' started by abiG, Mar 8, 2018.
And that makes sense.
Note that the trolls have not disputed one fact presented by CIS. AFAIK, the 2 billion figure is accurate. The information is presented clearly.
How does it ever make sense to make it more likely for alien grad to get hired over a US grad? What country are you from?
I edited - they can work for 1-2 yrs depending on the degree.
Students who are nonresident aliens for tax purposes while on OPT are exempt from paying Social Security and Medicare taxes.
This differs from the requirement for paying Social Security and Medicare taxes while engaged in on-campus employment in student status. For the latter, resident aliens in student status are also exempt from paying Social Security and Medicare taxes (per IRC Section 3121(b)(10)), whereas for the former, only nonresident aliens (based on the substantial presence test) are exempt from the taxes.
Why does it make sense to educate them at our institutions, on our scholarships, taught by teachers funded with our tax dollars and in facilities paid for by our tax dollars, most of the time in advanced fields only to kick them out for another country to reap the benefits of our investment?
How much economy do foreign students generate? Might be a good investment in that regard.
Based on this I'm going to assume the program pays for itself and might even make money since these grads are paying US income tax
The article is saying this program hurts American Grads without anything to back that.
Encouraging one behavior does not necessarily discourage another.
Lol the subsidy is just them not paying SS tax because they won't collect it since they aren't citizens.
Not really disputing anything, i merely asked for a non-partisan source.
And by not partisan i meant, at least, not an organization founded by a racist (and not racist like "Trump is a racist" but an actual racist who thinks non-whites are lesser humans). Then we could have a decent discussion about the pros and cons.
oh so we are targeting international students now?
we want to scrap this program so we can kick out valuable STEM students as soon as they graduate instead of convincing them to remain and help build our country?
Personally I think this is stupid. If they are able to study in the United States that means they are either brilliant (on a scholarship) or their parents are rich as shit and can afford to send them here. Retaining them would be valuable either way because it brings in money (STEM labor and/or investments).
BTW, countries like Australia would very much welcome this news if we are scrapping (or decrease the years for) OPT. They are starving for STEM workers and starting salary for IT is around 160k or more for a fresh out of college student in Sydney according to my relatives. They would love to steal these STEM graduates away from us...
How does one go about hiring grads from Mars? Or maybe it's Jupiter?
Sorry I'm not too keen on the US current alien demographics.
From the article
Estimation Techniques: Losses to Trust Funds. Then I took the 240,000, and applied a guess of $50,000 a year for these jobs (it is probably rather higher for the STEM people) and multiplied to get a rough idea of the total wages. It comes to about $12 billion.
Since employers and employees — routinely — each contributes 8.25 percent of the salary to the trust funds, this indicates a loss to the funds of 16.5 percent of the whole, or a total annual loss of $1.98 billion.
So the government is giving almost $2 billion in tax breaks to American employers if they hire alien — not resident workers
ET.. go home
Aliens? From what part of the universe?
Why do you keep using this horrible purple-pink color type?
'abiG' likes this color...
You have 'green'.
You have 'blue'.
You have 'red'.
You have 'yellow'.
...but 'white' is the best.
You can also buy a 'green card' to get into the United States. "Under the federal program, a foreigner who invests $500,000 — and in some instances, $1 million — in a project that will create at least 10 jobs can apply, and get, a green card." Yeah, it is called 'legal' bribery - or 'cutting' in line.
So glad this thread backfired
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