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Good point! Fedor fought drugged-up super mutants and was undefeated for 10 years.
Fedor never fought in a #1 organization, Cain only fought in #1 organization
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Good point! Fedor fought drugged-up super mutants and was undefeated for 10 years.
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Cain’s first 2 fights were outside of the UFC you fuckstick
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Agree, Conor should not be in GOAT discussions at this point.
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You have to be incredibly uneducated if you think the UFC was the #1 organization back when Pride existed.
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THIS. Since when is 16-2 as impressive as 36-5.
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Fedor dominated the heavyweight division as an overweight, 5'10" middleweight for ten years.
Cain's fought like six people 15 times, with ten years between each bout.
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What about the other 50 something members who don't have Fedor in their name that are pretty much calling you a fucking idiot?
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Fedor fought in the top organisation at the time. UFC fighters were universally not ranked #1 back then, even in US-based media such as Sherdog. But Fedor did defeat two recent UFC champions in Affliction. Overall, Fedor fought a much larger range of top competition during his reign than Cain did.
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Cain did not fight TRT bigfoot. Either way Fedor was past his prime. How was this not obvious....
Lmao if anything Werdum clearly OUTCLASSED cain. From the very first round, werdum absolutely dominated cain. Cain was defensless in the clinch, was getting tagged left and right, and was just getting outclassed proving werdum was the better fighter. You can talk about conditioning and sea level but thats not werdum's problem. Cain was training in mexico to adapt to the elevation for two weeks while werdum did it for a month, so its cain's fault. Also Cain is this cardio king and when specifically asked about the elevation he said he had compeltely adapted and that it was not an issue at all. He was simply outclassed.
Even if fedor was juicing, everyone he was fighting was jucied to the gills so it was an even playing field. Also what is cain's post usada record? I get he's been inactive alot but there might be reasonable suspicions that cain might have been juicing.
First off you cant just change people's records based off who you think is a can or not. Fedor still beat all of those people, and if you want to only include the people who are not "cans", big names, and are notable there is:
- Ricardo Arona (legit fighter beat overeem, dan henderson, vitor, tito)
- Renato Sobral
- Semmy Schilt (a 300 pound, 6'11 legendary kickboxer with an 88 inch reach)
- Heath Herring
- Big Nog (x2) (at the time the greatest HW in the world until Fedor smashed him)
- Fujita
- Gary Goodridge
- Mark coleman (x2)
- Kevin randleman
- Mirko Cro Cop
- Mark Hunt
- Matt Lindland
- Tim Sylvia
- Andrei Arlovski
- Brett Rogers (undefeated at the time)
- Jeff Monson
-Pedro Rizzo
- Fabio maldonado
So if you go with those wins he's 20-4. Also not all of Cain's 14 victories are over top level fighters.
He had the potential to be but he is simply too inactive. His wins over JDS alone cement him as one of the GOAT HW's but not over Fedor. Fedor was another animal. He faced absolute killers like Big Nog who was the best HW on earth before fedor and the best submission specialist in the HW division, Mirko Cro Cop when he was one of the most dangerous and feared strikers in the world, and etc... He also beat people at their own game. In fedor's prime he was nearly a perfect fighter. He had a monster right hand, was lightening fast, was impossible to submit (spent two entire fights in big nogs guard), impossible to KO (he had a rock hard chin), very hard to takedown, and he just did everything with nearly flawless technique. He is much more well rounded than Cain, stayed on top against killers for longer than cain, and Cain had many issues exposed early. Cain still got caught and KO'd by JDS, and even though he avenged that loss with vengeance Fedor in his prime run was never KO'd. Fedor faced prime Mirko Cro Cop, Semmy Schilt (who KO'd hari, Ernesto Hoost, and Mark Hunt), Kevin randleman (who slammed fedor on his head and has one punch KO power), Mark Hunt, and Andrei Arlovski, and he was never KO'd. Cain also had problems dealing with a high level grappler like werdum since cain couldn't take him down as often as he likes due to the submission game of werdum. And Cain couldn't even hold his own in striking, he was getting clearly outboxed and looked defenseless in the clinch, and eventually turned into a panic wrestler that got submitted.
Fedor is simply better
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It's starting to feel weird reading Cain's name in a thread.
Dude's got 2 fights in the last 4 years... And only 16 total.
He got to legitimately call himself champ, that is the extent of his legacy as far as i'm concerned (And that's not me shitting on him, that's still a very lofty achievement).
Dude's got 2 fights in the last 4 years... And only 16 total.
He got to legitimately call himself champ, that is the extent of his legacy as far as i'm concerned (And that's not me shitting on him, that's still a very lofty achievement).
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That's a very big stretch and definitely debatable! Yes they had a very nice roster at LHW and HW and a number of small guys. They literally had no welterweight and middleweight less a few guys that fought up!
There HW division was littered with many one dimensional fighters including Cro Cop and Werdum and Hunt who never reached there prime until they got to the UFC! Coleman and Randleman were old one dimensional fighters. The UFC roster was much deeper. and there heavyweight division for the era was solid. Big Timmy went down hill as did Arlovski after a few years.
The UFC sold way more PPVs and had gate sales that literally broke records at most of there venues.
Pride on the other hand had the biggest crowds and some of the more memorable events like the Gps
Both had there niche for sure and were very different views as well I would never say Pride was #1 for one simple reason
they were more of a side show event other than in Japan. For my view point Pride was widely famous with the diehards the UFC had the diehards and everyone else that stuck around for the biggest fights.
The UFC also had the more well known fighters worldwide.
Liddell
Couture
Tito
GSP
Hughes
Penn
Were much more well known and then Silva and Nog and Fedor
There HW division was littered with many one dimensional fighters including Cro Cop and Werdum and Hunt who never reached there prime until they got to the UFC! Coleman and Randleman were old one dimensional fighters. The UFC roster was much deeper. and there heavyweight division for the era was solid. Big Timmy went down hill as did Arlovski after a few years.
The UFC sold way more PPVs and had gate sales that literally broke records at most of there venues.
Pride on the other hand had the biggest crowds and some of the more memorable events like the Gps
Both had there niche for sure and were very different views as well I would never say Pride was #1 for one simple reason
they were more of a side show event other than in Japan. For my view point Pride was widely famous with the diehards the UFC had the diehards and everyone else that stuck around for the biggest fights.
The UFC also had the more well known fighters worldwide.
Liddell
Couture
Tito
GSP
Hughes
Penn
Were much more well known and then Silva and Nog and Fedor
