fedor beat past prime fighters “base” on his fan logic

[Towerworld]

Disclaimer : not all fan

One thing fedor fan love to say is that fedor is out of prime when he fought werdum because athlete decline around 10 years.even though there’s no scientific proof to back up that claim And is really hypocrite to say that here’s why:

Cro Cop: first kickboxing fight is in 1996.the fedor fight is in 2005.
Coleman: Coleman first fight is in 1996,the fedor fight is in 2004.and he was 40 years old when he fought fedor
Arlovski: first fight is in 1999,the fedor fight is in 2009
Randleman: first fight:1996, the fedor fight: 2004.and clearly past his prime will when he fought fedor

Conclusion: fedor beat past prime fighters if we use his fan logic

Yup now the fedor fans are crying their guts out, Prime Randleman kills fedor in seconds.

 

[Greco_Wiz]

Silly OP. Remember the rule:

Primes can only be brought up if they make a former Pride fighter look BETTER! They’re out of their prime when they lose a fight, but everyone they beat is in their prime. Don’t forget it.

 

[Daniel Rosenke]

Disclaimer : not all fan

One thing fedor fan love to say is that fedor is out of prime when he fought werdum because athlete decline around 10 years.even though there’s no scientific proof to back up that claim And is really hypocrite to say that here’s why:

Cro Cop: first kickboxing fight is in 1996.the fedor fight is in 2005.
Coleman: Coleman first fight is in 1996,the fedor fight is in 2004.and he was 40 years old when he fought fedor
Arlovski: first fight is in 1999,the fedor fight is in 2009
Randleman: first fight:1996, the fedor fight: 2004.and clearly past his prime will when he fought fedor

Conclusion: fedor beat past prime fighters if we use his fan logic

There actually is scientific evidence that supporting this:
1) As we age, we lose fast twitch muscle fibres, something crucial to an explosive sport like MMA.
2) Over time (whether in MMA or boxing), the fluid layers around athletes' brains thins, providing less cushioning for head strikes. Not sure about the chin thing, but if you look at the evidence, fighters tend to "lose their chins" over the course of their careers.
3) Athletes simply cannot put in the requisite hours in the gym as they get older... the body loses its ability to regenerate/heal quickly with age.
I'd cite scholarly articles here, but am too lazy.

 

[moreorless87]

Fans were saying he was getting out of his prime because they actually watched him fight. Fedor was 34 years old with 33 MMA fights. Plenty of guys today are washed up before they even touch that number. Just for reference, Stipe Miocic is 35 years old, but only has 20 fights. Let's see what he looks like after 33 fights. We won't....because he will never reach that amount.

Fedor looked horrible against Arlovski and Rogers. He completely abandoned his ground game and strictly became a head hunter. He was fading before the Werdum fight.

More specifically as you say he was becoming a much narrower fighter, basically looking for very quick KO's standing. If he was still say 80% of the fighter he had been standing he was more like 50% of the fighter he had been grappling wise and ultimately it was this that led to his loses.

This really isn't unique to him at all, big names becoming narrower in their game as they age is actually very common, happened with Anderson, with BJ, with Rampage, etc.

 

[george14]

Silly OP. Remember the rule:

Primes can only be brought up if they make a former Pride fighter look BETTER! They’re out of their prime when they lose a fight, but everyone they beat is in their prime. Don’t forget it.

Anderson Silva PRIDE record: 3-2

 

[josh345]

What's with the Fedor fetish man? Everyday there's one of these threads.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

So you’re implying that that “ athlete decline around 10 years” only apply to fedor
Fedor was 32 when loss to win werdum.
And did I say Arlovski was in his prime when he fought stipe?

Fedor was 33 when he lost to Werdum and 34 when he lost to Bigfoot.

Yeah, most guys begin decline around 9 or 10 years if you actually looked around. Look at the thousands of fighters who declined and began losing around that mileage marker.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/7/...er-into-mma-fighter-longevity-does-age-matter

If you actually watched the fights, you would see Fedor was obviously slowing down before he ever even lost.

Guys like Cro Cop and Arlovski were 30 and 29 and were looking very good leading up to the Fedor fights. They were definitely not on decline. All those guys are still fighting too. Fedor beat them back then but they would be the favorites to beat Fedor in 2018. If that doesn't show how fighters change over the years there is no helping you with your narrow point of view.

 

[3sumrock]

Fedor was 33 when he lost to Werdum and 34 when he lost to Bigfoot.

Yeah, most guys begin decline around 9 or 10 years if you actually looked around. Look at the thousands of fighters who declined and began losing around that mileage marker.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/7/...er-into-mma-fighter-longevity-does-age-matter

If you actually watched the fights, you would see Fedor was obviously slowing down before he ever even lost.

Guys like Cro Cop and Arlovski were 30 and 29 and were looking very good leading up to the Fedor fights. They were definitely not on decline. All those guys are still fighting too. Fedor beat them back then but they would be the favorites to beat Fedor in 2018. If that doesn't show how fighters change over the years there is no helping you with your narrow point of view.

So basically what you’re saying is it only apply to fedor.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Silly OP. Remember the rule:

Primes can only be brought up if they make a former Pride fighter look BETTER! They’re out of their prime when they lose a fight, but everyone they beat is in their prime. Don’t forget it.

Every single athlete in any sport has a prime, a peak, a decline and a retirement. It's not just PRIDE guys. Look at the careers of Chuck Liddell, BJ Penn, Junior Dos Santos, etc. They obviously were beasts in their younger years but if you keep on fighting you will slow down physically and injuries and damage piles up.

Cain used to be a monster but now has 3 fights in 5 years. 1 was a loss and 1 a win over Travis.

GSP retired at 32 after struggling with Hendricks and said he was "burnt out" and "needed a break." Only came back to beat a 38 year old one eyed Bisping for an easy paycheck.

Look at Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali in their best years and then in their last few fights. Now tell me there is no such thing as prime

 

[Melas Chasma]

So you’re admitting that fedor was in his prime when’s he loss to werdum

Nope. I said usually and his fight against Werdum was +10 years as a pro.

Failed again.

 

[donkeyjr]

There's no point in arguing with Fedor fans dude, they are delusional as fuck with no logic.. Hes like a freaking god to them.

 

[donkeyjr]

Every single athlete in any sport has a prime, a peak, a decline and a retirement. It's not just PRIDE guys. Look at the careers of Chuck Liddell, BJ Penn, Junior Dos Santos, etc. They obviously were beasts in their younger years but if you keep on fighting you will slow down physically and injuries and damage piles up.

Cain used to be a monster but now has 3 fights in 5 years. 1 was a loss and 1 a win over Travis.

GSP retired at 32 after struggling with Hendricks and said he was "burnt out" and "needed a break." Only came back to beat a 38 year old one eyed Bisping for an easy paycheck.

Look at Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali in their best years and then in their last few fights. Now tell me there is no such thing as prime

Why are you bringing up Gsp, he had like 2 acl injuries and Cain is injuries prone as hell, that has nothing to do with prime. Fedor on the otehr hand has been pretty injuries free, yet hes out of his prime at the age of 33? It's not like he got knock out too, he got submited while being wild on the ground, just like all his fights.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

So basically what you’re saying is it only apply to fedor.

Arlovski and Cro Cop were obviously not in decline when those fights happened. They were still very fast and were only 30 and 29 years old. Yet they would decline a few years later as just about all fighters do around their mid-30s.

Fedor is not the only one. Chuck, Penn, Aldo, JDS, Cain, Igor, Rampage, Wanderlei, GSP, Hendricks, Condit, Ben Henderson, Anthony Pettis, etc... I could go on and on. Just about everyone slows down after a decade of fighting or reaching their 30's. All of those guys were very good fighters but at some point they decline physically and damage and mileage catches up. It is the nature of every sport.

 

[Martial_Bob]

First, no one gives a crap about Fedor anymore. He hasn't been relevant in years.

Second, maybe Fedor would have been more competitive had he fought someone who had a ghost of a chance of beating him after CroCop. Look at his record. After CroCop when he was in Pride he fought either freak fights or guys who's record didn't qualify them as legit contenders. Then after Pride folded he never went to where the good fighters were in the UFC. He stayed out and lost his competitive edge.

 

[snugglecakes]

Cro Cop: first kickboxing fight is in 1996.the fedor fight is in 2005.
Coleman: Coleman first fight is in 1996,the fedor fight is in 2004.and he was 40 years old when he fought fedor
Arlovski: first fight is in 1999,the fedor fight is in 2009
Randleman: first fight:1996, the fedor fight: 2004.and clearly past his prime will when he fought fedor

Conclusion: fedor beat past prime fighters if we use his fan logic

We’re about a month shy away from the 10th anniversary of Jon jones’s First fight. If he somehow avoided a suspension n fought this year n lost it wouldn’t be impressive at all cuz Jon is over the hill now cuz of dat 10 year line. This is totally how that works with zero acceptions innit?

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Why are you bringing up Gsp, he had like 2 acl injuries and Cain is injuries prone as hell, that has nothing to do with prime. Fedor on the otehr hand has been pretty injuries free, yet hes out of his prime at the age of 33? It's not like he got knock out too, he got submited while being wild on the ground, just like all his fights.

Health has everything to do with prime.

Fedor didn't even lose until 33. GSP retired at 32.

Yeah, GSP had ACL problems but was still able to beat Condit and Diaz because they had non-existent Takedown Defense. He struggled with Hendricks and retired. Injuries are a common reason for knocking someone out of prime. That was GSP's reason.

Cain obviously had injuries as well just as Fedor did. Cain has 16 MMA fights and a college wrestling career. Fedor has 40+ MMA fights, a concurrent Sambo career and a Judo career before all that.

Fedor repeatedly broke his hand over and over for a few years. Hard to practice punching, grappling, or lift weights or really anything with a constant broken hand. I am sure there were other injuries and problems as well that we don't know about.

No excuse for the Werdum fight. He should have made Werdum stand back up instead of jumping into his guard.

Regardless, Fedor went 10 years undefeated and most careers don't even last that long.

 

[IsNormal]

The age old Sherdog equivalent of the chicken or the egg.
-Do people start losing because they went out of prime, or do fans just call them out of prime when they start losing.

Cro Cop and Arvloski were great wins at the time though and you're a moron if you say otherwise.

I think the argument is that he does think they were great wins, and he's using them as examples of why fans aren't consistent when they throw around lines like "Fighters decline after 10 years".

 

[Typrune Goatley]

First, no one gives a crap about Fedor anymore. He hasn't been relevant in years.

Second, maybe Fedor would have been more competitive had he fought someone who had a ghost of a chance of beating him after CroCop. Look at his record. After CroCop when he was in Pride he fought either freak fights or guys who's record didn't qualify them as legit contenders. Then after Pride folded he never went to where the good fighters were in the UFC. He stayed out and lost his competitive edge.

Why would Fedor go to the UFC after PRIDE?

The Interim UFC champ was Nog who Fedor already beat 2x.

The Lineal UFC champ was Randy Couture, who was trying to get out of his UFC contract to fight Fedor outside the UFC.

Fedor beat Arlovski(#2 in world) and Sylvia(#4 in world) in Affliction, who both left the UFC to fight Fedor to make the most money and to fight the #1 HW.

After Affliction, Fedor joined Strikeforce who had a better Heavyweight division than UFC and was also about to run a HW tournament.

UFC never had the best HW division until after they acquired Strikeforce.

 

[Pakman]

Disclaimer : not all fan

One thing fedor fan love to say is that fedor is out of prime when he fought werdum because athlete decline around 10 years.even though there’s no scientific proof to back up that claim And is really hypocrite to say that here’s why:

Cro Cop: first kickboxing fight is in 1996.the fedor fight is in 2005.
Coleman: Coleman first fight is in 1996,the fedor fight is in 2004.and he was 40 years old when he fought fedor
Arlovski: first fight is in 1999,the fedor fight is in 2009
Randleman: first fight:1996, the fedor fight: 2004.and clearly past his prime will when he fought fedor

Conclusion: fedor beat past prime fighters if we use his fan logic

You're a retard and should be banned from making threads.

 

[Taric]

So you don’t count loss?

When you lose you already don't receive a win in your record book, which effects your record negatively.
If you begin to subtract wins based on the number of losses you have you're literally doubling the weight a loss has on a record compared to a win.

When people bring this up to me I know exactly how little they really understand about the subject matter.