FBI acted on Hillary Intel they knew was fake (Russia) during 2016 campaign

[ShoelessRye]

Seems this is a pushback effort to smear/discredit Comey by the WH/GOP using the NY FBI Office before his public testimony in front of the Senate Intel Committee.

 

[lfd0311]

Depends on who's asking.

LOL.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abuela/

 

[lfd0311]

Seems this is a pushback effort to smear/discredit Comey by the WH/GOP using the NY FBI Office before his public testimony in front of the Senate Intel Committee.

And the Dems are helping them out with that? Sure.....

 

[klnOmega]

I don't think it was an honest mistake as you were corrected on it and kept it up. You paraphrased it as him saying that there was more to the investigation than people knew about, when he was just talking about the messaging.

He was saying there is more to the investigation than the public knows. He explicitly said that.

 

[klnOmega]

Seems this is a pushback effort to smear/discredit Comey by the WH/GOP using the NY FBI Office before his public testimony in front of the Senate Intel Committee.

Fucking CNN always shilling for Trump and the GOP!

 

[Jack V Savage]

He was saying there is more to the investigation than the public knows. He explicitly said that.

He said there was more to the decision to reveal his findings the way he did (which he'd been criticized for) was based on more than the public knows about. If it was an honest mistake and you're not actively trying to mislead, watch the video again (just the last couple of minutes).

 

[Bat Dad]

Bad Dads Jimmy Status = Rustled

 

[bobgeese]

The church lady!!!


I member.

 

[fartJokes]

It's nothing to do with "teams," you hack. You are simply making accusations that have no support. Just coming out of thin air or right-wing chain mails.

Your strategy here is to make personal attacks on anyone who doesn't immediately accept GOP campaign bullshit. And you're a nutter on the financial crisis, too. Who should have been prosecuted who wasn't and for what? If you can't answer that, who is really the sophist? Likewise, you want Clinton brought up on charges for imaginary offenses, simply because she's in the other party.

A nutter on the financial crisis? LOL. Worthless dogshit financial products are sold with AAA+ ratings by banks who simultaneously bet against those same products? Is that not fraudulent and illegal? Did I make that shit up or do you recall that happening now? What fucking planet do you live on? Sarbanes-Oxley was passed in order to hold executives accountable for their organizations mis-doings. Do you know how many people have been prosecuted under Sarbanes-Oxley? ZERO! The principals of every ratings agency should be prosecuted for fraud and conspiracy along with banks that pushed that crap. Every loan company principal that was complicit in knowingly making loans on fraudulent applications as part of their business model should be prosecuted. I suppose you don't understand how incentives work either.

So you see, I CAN answer that question. Easily. There was massive fraud and collusion from A to Z and yet no one goes to jail and no bureaucrat was fired. The biggest financial crime of the century and ZERO accountability. The fact that you don't seem to know any of this or wish to gloss over it is telling. Most Americans know they were screwed by Wall St and the incestuous, corrupt, industry-captured Treasury Dept and that there is, and will be, no accountability. All these corrupt elites know where all the skeletons are buried and cover for each other. They scratch each others backs with audacity and impunity. This was Obama's biggest failure.

Comey characterized Hillary's handling of classified materials as "extremely careless", which is the very definition of gross negligence. The law has no requirement or mention of intent, but does SPECIFICALLY include "gross negligence" as a basis for prosecution. This is not a subject of controversy. The controversy is Comey's recommendation to not prosecute because he didn't believe their was intent. It's as simple as that. At the same time we have military prosecutions and jail time for sailors and soldiers for very innocuous incidents of negligent handling of classified materials. Does the law not apply to everyone? Apparently not.

Destruction of evidence is also illegal. Comey confirmed this as well. No one denies that it happened, that is unless you wish to take the opportunity. Well, actually Hillary DID deny it (she's the only one), under oath in front of congress. Perjury is also illegal - and you can be impeached for that shit (hat tip to Bill Clinton) if you were unaware. In fact, Comey made several statements of findings that are in clear contradiction with Hillary's testimony. It's astounding that this is the hill you chose to die on. I'm going back to my troll assessment.

 

[Jack V Savage]

A nutter on the financial crisis? LOL. Worthless dogshit financial products are sold with AAA+ ratings by banks who simultaneously bet against those same products? Is that not fraudulent and illegal? Did I make that shit up or do you recall that happening now? What fucking planet do you live on?

Calm down. Specifically who do you think should be prosecuted and for what?

So you see, I CAN answer that question.

So you can, but you just chose not to?

Comey characterized Hillary's handling of classified materials as "extremely careless", which is the very definition of gross negligence. The law has no requirement or mention of intent, but does SPECIFICALLY include "gross negligence" as a basis for prosecution.

First, he didn't specifically note "gross negligence"; second, the law has never been used for that purpose and likely wouldn't stand up to review if it were; and third, there's no corruption. The accusation is simply that by not following protocols, she was at risk of being hacked. If that's something that really worries you, well, I question your sincerity, but fine. But it doesn't fit any reasonable definition of corruption.

Destruction of evidence is also illegal. Comey confirmed this as well. No one denies that it happened, that is unless you wish to take the opportunity.

Destruction of evidence that was only called evidence after it was destroyed. Clinton handed all emails off to a third party to be sorted between what was asked for and what was not, with the "not" portion being destroyed. Then the probe was widened after the fact. And they still recovered those emails. There's again nothing that any reasonable person would call corruption even alleged there. Comey also clearly stated that there was no intent to destroy evidence and that he doesn't believe she lied.

No matter how much it enrages you that not everyone blindly swallows whatever Limbaugh or whoever you're getting your stuff from says, believe that such people exist (and thank God!).

 

[VivaRevolution]

I don't even know what to say about this, what their motives were and what this makes the FBI look like at this time. Acting on fake intel you knew came from the Russians about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign because you thought if it were leaks it might undermine the investigation? Why not come out and explain the news was fake and where it originated from?

Bigger question at hand is the last paragraph that Russian Intelligence is still actively trying to spread disinformation using elected officials. If this is indeed true I think everyone on here who considers themselves an American should be demanding a full investigation. I will assume if you don't want this to be investigated then you are a russian bot or troll.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/polit...tigation-fake-russian-intelligence/index.html

Washington (CNN)Then-FBI Director James Comey knew that a critical piece of information relating to the investigation into Hillary Clinton's email was fake -- created by Russian intelligence -- but he feared that if it became public it would undermine the probe and the Justice Department itself, according to multiple officials with knowledge of the process.

As a result, Comey acted unilaterally last summer to publicly declare the investigation over -- without consulting then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch -- while at the same time stating that Clinton had been "extremely careless" in her handling of classified information. His press conference caused a firestorm of controversy and drew criticism from both Democrats and Republicans.

Comey's actions based on what he knew was Russian disinformation offer a stark example of the way Russian interference impacted the decisions of the highest-level US officials during the 2016 campaign.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that this Russian intelligence was unreliable. US officials now tell CNN that Comey and FBI officials actually knew early on that this intelligence was indeed false.

In fact, acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe went to Capitol Hill Thursday to push back on the notion that the FBI was duped, according to a source familiar with a meeting McCabe had with members of the Senate intelligence committee.

The Russian intelligence at issue purported to show that then-Attorney General Lynch had been compromised in the Clinton investigation. The intelligence described emails between then-Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and a Clinton campaign operative suggesting that Lynch would make the FBI investigation of Clinton go away.

In classified sessions with members of Congress several months ago, Comey described those emails in the Russian claim and expressed his concern that this Russian information could "drop" and that would undermine the Clinton investigation and the Justice Department in general, according to one government official.

Still, Comey did not let on to lawmakers that there were doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to sources familiar with the briefings. It is unclear why Comey was not more forthcoming in a classified setting.

Sources close to Comey tell CNN he felt that it didn't matter if the information was accurate, because his big fear was that if the Russians released the information publicly, there would be no way for law enforcement and intelligence officials to discredit it without burning intelligence sources and methods.

In at least one classified session, Comey cited that intelligence as the primary reason he took the unusual step of publicly announcing the end of the Clinton email probe.

In that briefing, Comey did not even mention the other reason he gave in public testimony for acting independently of the Justice Department -- that Lynch was compromised because Bill Clinton boarded her plane and spoke to her during the investigation, these sources told CNN.

Multiple US officials tell CNN that to this day Russia is trying to spread false information in the US -- through elected officials and American intelligence and law enforcement operatives -- in order to cloud and confuse ongoing investigations

What does false Russian propaganda have to do with Removing SAP information from secured computer systems, or improper transmission of classified information over unsecured lines?

Have we ever received any kind of explanation for how taking millions of dollars into the Clinton Foundation, from foreign governments, isn't a serious conflict of interests?

 

[Madmick]

Remember when intelligent people were saying that Comey was clearly in some sort of difficult spot, and seemed to be acting in America's best interest despite the weird twists and turns these investigations have been taking? This is an example of one of those things.

Yep.

Hillary's campaign was saved by the very man that Trump's almost entire movement of supporters declared persona non grata, Benedict Arnold, traitor: James Comey of the FBI. It was his bizarre decision to announce their intent to re-open the investigation without declaring why, when it was so oblique to Clinton's original case, and very quickly shut down, that saved his campaign and killed ~6.2pts of her lead in the final two weeks before the election. She was up 8pts. It was sabotaged with this.

It's incredibly ironic that the very person the Trump Body Snatcher mob pointed at, croaked at, and declared a slave of the secret globalist world order that takes its directions from the Clintons is the same person that gave him a second life.

Fun thread to revisit here:
FBI Director Comey to deliver statement at 11am ET

Also, lest everyone forget. Comey tried going a different way with this:
FBI Director Comey sought to reveal Russian election meddling last summer

FBI Director James Comey sought to publish an op-ed as early as last summer about Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election, but was barred from doing so by the Obama White House, Newsweek reported Wednesday.

In a White House meeting in June or July, Comey reportedly brought with him a draft of the proposed op-ed and presented it to top administration officials, including former Secretary of State John Kerry and former Attorney General Loretta Lynch.

"He had a draft of it or an outline," a source with knowledge of the meeting told Newsweek. "He held up a piece of paper in a meeting and said, 'I want to go forward, what do people think of this?'"

White House officials at the time ultimately rejected the idea, deciding instead that any effort to make information about Russian election meddling public should be coordinated between multiple federal agencies, according to the report.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-russian-election-meddling-last-summer-report

I didn't post this in the wrong forum. I swear.

 

[Darkballs]

Comey characterized Hillary's handling of classified materials as "extremely careless", which is the very definition of gross negligence. The law has no requirement or mention of intent, but does SPECIFICALLY include "gross negligence" as a basis for prosecution. This is not a subject of controversy.

This is a complete misunderstanding of the term "gross negligence."

Gross negligence is a standard of care that can result in the criminal prosecution for another crime. For instance, a corporation that wantonly disposes of toxic chemicals in the public water supply where people get sick, can be charged with the relevant crimes (improperly disposing of toxic materials, manslaughter, assault) if they knew said chemicals were toxic. They acted recklessly.

Gross negligence in itself is not a crime. Despite a hard look by the FBI, they concluded that while Clintons private server setup was careless, it did not violate any federal law.

If simply being completely negligent was a crime, half the war room would be in jail for shitposting.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

He was saying there is more to the investigation than the public knows. He explicitly said that.

That's true of ANY investigation

 

[PEB]

CNN = Fake News

 

[lilelvis]

Just FYI, shit like this doesn't bother us. Did we think America would turn around overnight, especially when it comes to billion dollar arms deals, no. Are we loving the daily flood of liberal tears, absolutely.


Plus, Trump is a NY gangster, and that necklace is baller.

LOL at people acting like they don't know why we do, and have, historically armed the Saudi's..

"But Trump bad"

 

[lilelvis]

What was her platform?

I've finally figured it out. @Jack V Savage is Roger Clinton. <cheer>

 

[Unsurprised Diaz]

You'd only have to dig a very little to uncover anything corrupt about Hillary. If she was to be going to jail, she'd be in jail already. The investigations to find something on her go nowhere either because those in charge are as corrupt as her and using this as leverage over her, or if not corrupt those in charge of the investigation are afraid their case will be swept under the carpet or they will be suicided like so many others

 

[Squarechoke]

LOL at people acting like they don't know why we do, and have, historically armed the Saudi's..

"But Trump bad"

Or lol at people acting like they don't understand the extremely obvious point of why Trump gets criticized for it. Even on this board it would be unusually dumb to miss that.

He gets criticized because he's had a very different tone regarding SA, where he's directly said that it's very immoral to take money from them, and that they are trying to influence the US with their money. Not to mention that he said that SA were the ones that were behind 9/11, and that they are the #1 financiers of Islamic terrorism. But then when he came there he shut up on all that, started blaming a different country all of a sudden and went to business as usual instead.

So he's either continuing to arm those he thinks were behind the biggest terrorist attack to ever hit the US, and that continues to finance Islamic terrorism, or he's the kind of person to make incredibly serious statements and then casually disregard them completely.

 

[Buck Swope]

What if we hadn't elected an idiot whose people have ties to the country's opposition
That would have been pretty cool

And we did;