FBI acted on Hillary Intel they knew was fake (Russia) during 2016 campaign

In this light, his public statements make sense. I originally thought it was just to make clear that the investigation was done above board in relation to the inevitable political spin on Clinton-Lynch.

But if they also feared that Russia would spread disinformation and the public would interpret it as real then they needed to get their position into the public space first. In this age of media, first to publish controls the narrative and it appears they didn't want to yield that to disinformation.

I'll say if these stories are even half true, Russia did a masterful job of manipulating the American public (or large segments thereof) and forced our government to take steps to minimize that manipulation that ultimately didn't work.
This is all really fascinating from a psychological perspective. Not just how impactful the propaganda has been, but how people cherish their ego and membership in a group so much. The group psychology data that can be sifted through to find useful analysis is a goldmine. If there is another big war coming in the next 10-15 years, I'll think we'll see a lot of these tactics utilized to galvanize support for the actor's preferred narrative.
 
This is all really fascinating from a psychological perspective. Not just how impactful the propaganda has been, but how people cherish their ego and membership in a group so much. The group psychology data that can be sifted through to find useful analysis is a goldmine. If there is another big war coming in the next 10-15 years, I'll think we'll see a lot of these tactics utilized to galvanize support for the actor's preferred narrative.

Absolutely. You can already see it if you look at that transcript from the GOP a few days back when they were discussing the Russian propaganda campaigns in the West.

That Russia was intentionally stirring up these populist movements to weaken Western cohesion. And then you look at how certain political events have been turning out and it's hard to tease out how much is actual sentiment and how much is the result of manipulation.
 
No obstruction of justice was even alleged. Hard drives were destroyed as they were supposed to be, following procedures. No evidence of lying to Congress. No pay to play for State Dept. favors has ever even been alleged, much less established. This is all just nuttery from right-wing chain mail. And "the history of the Clintons and Haiti" is too vague to even respond to.

No, what this shows is absolute incompetence and collusion in the DOJ. It's illegal to destroy emails that are under subpoena. In fact, it's illegal to mishandle classified information, which many military servicemen have gone to jail for, but apparently some people are above the law. Gross negligence is a punishable crime. Hillary lied when she said she turned over all the email, same as she lied when she said the Benghazi attack was because of a youtube video. It's sad that allegiance to your "team" has blinded you to the point of intellectual dishonesty.

Your strategy here appears to be sophistry. If no one was prosecuted for illegal acts after the 2008 financial crisis, that doesn't mean that they never happened. They did. Same goes for all of Hillary's incompetence and corruption. If you refuse to acknowledge it, then you're the problem.
 
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In this light, his public statements make sense. I originally thought it was just to make clear that the investigation was done above board in relation to the inevitable political spin on Clinton-Lynch.

But if they also feared that Russia would spread disinformation and the public would interpret it as real then they needed to get their position into the public space first. In this age of media, first to publish controls the narrative and it appears they didn't want to yield that to disinformation.
Basically, it appears Comey lost faith in the critical thinking ability of Americans. At least in regards to politics.

And of the ability to keep assets safe, because of partisan leaks. It's a messed up situation for sure.

I'll say if these stories are even half true, Russia did a masterful job of manipulating the American public (or large segments thereof) and forced our government to take steps to minimize that manipulation that ultimately didn't work.

Hard to deny how extremely effective it's been, even if some of it seems a bit ridiculous on the surface.
 
It's always humorous to me when I see people here or on Twitter talk shit about the 2 party system or create false equivalences regarding Democrats and Republicans, because you can be 99% sure that the complainer couldn't tell you what the fuck they would want from government or what each party stands for.

If you find it humorous, it's only because you lack intellect and imagination.
 
Interesting how this kind of squares with Gowdy's comments from that other thread (which were dishonestly reported by KLN).

I didn't report anything dishonestly.
But this was a good observation on your part. The CNN report notes that Comey never told Congress in the meeting that he suspected the report was fake. Which means Gowdy may not know that part, and that very well could be why he made his comments.
 
No, what this shows is absolute incompetence and collusion in the DOJ. It's illegal to destroy emails that are under subpoena. In fact, it's illegal to mishandle classified information, which many military servicemen have gone to jail for, but apparently some people are above the law. Gross negligence is a punishable crime. Hillary lied when she said she turned over all the email, same as she lied when she said the Benghazi attack was because of a youtube video. It's sad that allegiance to your "team" has blinded you to the point of intellectual dishonesty.

Your strategy here appears to be sophistry. If no one was prosecuted for illegal acts after the 2008 financial crisis, that doesn't mean that they never happened. They did. Same goes for all of Hillary's incompetence and corruption. If you refuse to acknowledge it, then you're the problem.
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I don't even know what to say about this, what their motives were and what this makes the FBI look like at this time. Acting on fake intel you knew came from the Russians about Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign because you thought if it were leaks it might undermine the investigation? Why not come out and explain the news was fake and where it originated from?

Bigger question at hand is the last paragraph that Russian Intelligence is still actively trying to spread disinformation using elected officials. If this is indeed true I think everyone on here who considers themselves an American should be demanding a full investigation. I will assume if you don't want this to be investigated then you are a russian bot or troll.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/26/polit...tigation-fake-russian-intelligence/index.html

Washington (CNN)Then-FBI Director James Comey knew that a critical piece of information relating to the investigation into Hillary Clinton's email was fake -- created by Russian intelligence -- but he feared that if it became public it would undermine the probe and the Justice Department itself, according to multiple officials with knowledge of the process.

As a result, Comey acted unilaterally last summer to publicly declare the investigation over -- without consulting then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch -- while at the same time stating that Clinton had been "extremely careless" in her handling of classified information. His press conference caused a firestorm of controversy and drew criticism from both Democrats and Republicans.

Comey's actions based on what he knew was Russian disinformation offer a stark example of the way Russian interference impacted the decisions of the highest-level US officials during the 2016 campaign.

The Washington Post reported Wednesday that this Russian intelligence was unreliable. US officials now tell CNN that Comey and FBI officials actually knew early on that this intelligence was indeed false.

In fact, acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe went to Capitol Hill Thursday to push back on the notion that the FBI was duped, according to a source familiar with a meeting McCabe had with members of the Senate intelligence committee.

The Russian intelligence at issue purported to show that then-Attorney General Lynch had been compromised in the Clinton investigation. The intelligence described emails between then-Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz and a Clinton campaign operative suggesting that Lynch would make the FBI investigation of Clinton go away.

In classified sessions with members of Congress several months ago, Comey described those emails in the Russian claim and expressed his concern that this Russian information could "drop" and that would undermine the Clinton investigation and the Justice Department in general, according to one government official.

Still, Comey did not let on to lawmakers that there were doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to sources familiar with the briefings. It is unclear why Comey was not more forthcoming in a classified setting.

Sources close to Comey tell CNN he felt that it didn't matter if the information was accurate, because his big fear was that if the Russians released the information publicly, there would be no way for law enforcement and intelligence officials to discredit it without burning intelligence sources and methods.

In at least one classified session, Comey cited that intelligence as the primary reason he took the unusual step of publicly announcing the end of the Clinton email probe.

In that briefing, Comey did not even mention the other reason he gave in public testimony for acting independently of the Justice Department -- that Lynch was compromised because Bill Clinton boarded her plane and spoke to her during the investigation, these sources told CNN.

Multiple US officials tell CNN that to this day Russia is trying to spread false information in the US -- through elected officials and American intelligence and law enforcement operatives -- in order to cloud and confuse ongoing investigations

1.) LOL at CNN and their phony unnamed sources.

2.) Liberals are still mad he was fired though, right?

3.) Clinton, Lynch nor Wasserman-Schutlz has ever denied that these emails existed. This isn't the first time this has come up. Yet suddenly they're faked Russian plants. Does that seem like BS to anyone else?
 
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This is all really fascinating from a psychological perspective. Not just how impactful the propaganda has been, but how people cherish their ego and membership in a group so much. The group psychology data that can be sifted through to find useful analysis is a goldmine. If there is another big war coming in the next 10-15 years, I'll think we'll see a lot of these tactics utilized to galvanize support for the actor's preferred narrative.
This book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

I've seen passed around a lot as a sort of blueprint for what Putin is doing.


  • Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]
 
Not really. They "dodged" a not-corrupt, highly competent politician with a solid platform in favor of an incompetent, massively corrupt kleptocrat.

There's really not the slightest case for Clinton being corrupt. The biggest charge against her was laziness making her vulnerable to being hacked.

What was her platform?
 
Not really. They "dodged" a not-corrupt, highly competent politician with a solid platform in favor of an incompetent, massively corrupt kleptocrat.

There's really not the slightest case for Clinton being corrupt. The biggest charge against her was laziness making her vulnerable to being hacked.
Trololololo

Give it up, hack. She lost. You need to get over it.
 
This book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

I've seen passed around a lot as a sort of blueprint for what Putin is doing.


  • Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]

That methodology matches the Rand report.
 
This book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

I've seen passed around a lot as a sort of blueprint for what Putin is doing.


  • Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]

Are you suggesting that George Soros is Putin's proxy?
 
This book: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

I've seen passed around a lot as a sort of blueprint for what Putin is doing.


  • Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]

Right on the money. America is one of the most internally divided nations and Russia is capitalizing on that right now just as much as America did to the USSR during the Cold War.
 
That methodology matches the Rand report.
That's interesting...browsing through this so far...

"
e producers and disseminators include a substantial force of paid Internet “trolls” who also often attack or undermine views or information that runs counter to Russian themes, doing so through online chat rooms, discussion forums, and comments sections on news and other websites.4 Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reports that “there are thousands of fake accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, and vKontakte” maintained by Russian propagandists. According to a former paid Russian Internet troll, the trolls are on duty 24 hours a day, in 12-hour shifts, and each has a daily quota of 135 posted comments of at least 200 characters.5 "

Haha. They work their trolls hard! Hope they have good benefits.

I wonder what our old friend Gotti would have thought of all this...he was all about those Troll Factorys.

Although IIRC he was all about Americans doing to to spread global warming hysteria, or whatever.
 
That's interesting...browsing through this so far...

"
e producers and disseminators include a substantial force of paid Internet “trolls” who also often attack or undermine views or information that runs counter to Russian themes, doing so through online chat rooms, discussion forums, and comments sections on news and other websites.4 Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reports that “there are thousands of fake accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, and vKontakte” maintained by Russian propagandists. According to a former paid Russian Internet troll, the trolls are on duty 24 hours a day, in 12-hour shifts, and each has a daily quota of 135 posted comments of at least 200 characters.5 "

Haha. They work their trolls hard! Hope they have good benefits.

I wonder what our old friend Gotti would have thought of all this...he was all about those Troll Factorys.

Although IIRC he was all about Americans doing to to spread global warming hysteria, or whatever.

I'm not sure how much credit I give to Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, they're an American propaganda group. The basic analysis is accurate enough though, just looking at the way RT operates.
 
No, what this shows is absolute incompetence and collusion in the DOJ.

The DOJ just followed the recommendations of the FBI. They're not going to prosecute a case that they have no evidence for.

It's illegal to destroy emails that are under subpoena. In fact, it's illegal to mishandle classified information, which many military servicemen have gone to jail for, but apparently some people are above the law. Gross negligence is a punishable crime. Hillary lied when she said she turned over all the email, same as she lied when she said the Benghazi attack was because of a youtube video. It's sad that allegiance to your "team" has blinded you to the point of intellectual dishonesty.

It's nothing to do with "teams," you hack. You are simply making accusations that have no support. Just coming out of thin air or right-wing chain mails.

Your strategy here appears to be sophistry. If no one was prosecuted for illegal acts after the 2008 financial crisis, that doesn't mean that they never happened. They did. Same goes for all of Hillary's incompetence and corruption. If you refuse to acknowledge it, then you're the problem.

Your strategy here is to make personal attacks on anyone who doesn't immediately accept GOP campaign bullshit. And you're a nutter on the financial crisis, too. Who should have been prosecuted who wasn't and for what? If you can't answer that, who is really the sophist? Likewise, you want Clinton brought up on charges for imaginary offenses, simply because she's in the other party.

I didn't report anything dishonestly.

I don't think it was an honest mistake as you were corrected on it and kept it up. You paraphrased it as him saying that there was more to the investigation than people knew about, when he was just talking about the messaging.
 
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