FACT: The Civil War WAS @ Slavery and the Confederacy Was EVIL

Thai Domi said:
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Yeehaw.

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KnightTemplar said:
As the old Southern joke goes,

"If we'd known ya'll were gonna be this much trouble, we'd have picked our own damn cotton!":)
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A saying that its not actually that old, because people that knew how cotton was planted and harvested in plantations know the brutality of the practice itself.

There is a reason for that, cotton ginning mean that cotton processing was far more industrialized than cotton harvesting so the price of the commodity shot through the roof which made plantation owners more greedy.
 
PainIsLIfe said:
Not only did he not write about freeing slaves - he didn't write about keeping them either. Frances Russel was a union soldier writing in '62 and he doesn't mention slavery either.

So early in the war when there was no hint that slaves were going to be freed and the only reason for the war to preserve the union, soldiers were writing about freeing slaves?

No offense, but I'm gonna call BS on mass numbers of letters describing that event.
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This has been my experience in reading memoirs and diary entries as well.

Most of these responses regarding slaves are based on emotion, not facts.

Was slavery wrong? Sure, but no one was fighting over them.
 
luckyshot said:
There has been an ongoing effort since the Civil War to paint the causes of the conflict as complex.

To listen to some historians, you'd think the Civil War was about everything BUT slavery.

This is willful denialism in an effort to present the Confederacy, and the Southern people who almost totally supported it, in a more positive light than reality allows.

The Confederacy was evil. It's main objective was to preserve slavery. Almost all southerners supported it, and by extension were on the side of evil.

In this great 6 minute video a West Point History professor completely destroyed and debunks all misguided efforts in Southern apology.



Let's end the moral relativism once and for all.
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I agree with you and the professor that slavery was the issue more than any other that started the war. However, the reason the North push for the containment and eventual end of slavery had a lot more to do with economics and power than doing what was morally good. You can't separate the issue of economics and power from the Civil War. The Civil War was not a social justice crusade.

In the South, you had a small number of large plantation owners that controlled everything. The South was divided into large plantations in the areas that had the best land, and the majority of the southerners were either poor subsistence farmers or worked on someone else's land. Those who owned the large plantations were the ruling class. They dominated politics at home, and they were also powerful on the national level as wealthy, long serving members of congress.

Northerners were afraid of that becoming the norm in the North. In the North, the ideal situation was to work long enough to save money so that you could save up and buy your own piece of land and be an independent farmer rather than someone who labored on someone else's farm. Those in the North who intended on being laborers rather than farmers were still against slavery because they were afraid that slaves would drive down their wages since slaves work for free. Northerners felt threaten politically by Southern members of congress who were bolstered by the 3/5ths compromise which gave the South extra representation in congress and in the electoral college.

The Southern ruling class was dependent on slavery as both their source of economic prosperity and power. They saw the North's attempts to contain and limit slavery as an attempt to hurt them financially and politically. They thought the end of slavery would bring northern domination both economically and politically, which is ultimately what happened.

Northerners like Southerners at this time were very racist, and did not want free blacks in their communities. Ideas on how to deal with blacks freed from slavery included sending them back to Africa and sending them further west like we did the Indians. The war was about slavery yes, but at the forefront of the slavery issue was how slavery impacted economics and power rather than the immorality of slavery. It wasn't a war of good and evil. It was a war spawned by self-interests.
 
Cint said:
It's you and me brother. @Captain Davis

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Trumpsters keep saying "Hilary lost, get over it" despite the fact nobody is talking about her but them. And that was a few months ago. This was 150 years ago.

Ya got wrecked. You need to get over it.
 
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