f you think you have a reason to dislike Russia for Ukraine and Crimea, please read this.

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Read this f**king carefully..

Imagine Texas secedes from the United states, but the Northeastern portion of Texas wishes greatly to remain with the United States, and never fully commits to the transition. Texas, a democracy, then democratically elects a government that is pro United States, and anti-Russia. Well the pro Russian Texans (mostly youth who want something 'different') are so mad, that they over-throw the pro-United States government.

The pro United States government fights back a little, and shoots some of the rebels that are attempting to overthrow the elected President, but then backs off, not wanting to kill too many citizens. Then Russia sends a gumpy, dopey Secretary of State to come lay a wreath in honor of the insurgence who died overthrowing the democratically elected President, because Russia wants to have more influence in Texas. (How far would Americans eyes roll in their head)

The Northwestern Texans are looking at all this and thinking, we have wanted to get back with the United States from the beginning, we don't like this, and never did, and now you aren't even allowed to be pro-United States in this country? They are thinking now is a good time to rejoin America like they always wanted.

So Texas is thrown into turmoil. The United States trades heavily with Texas, but Texas now wants to trade more with Russia half a world away, because the kids think it's cooler. About half of Texans still consider themselves American, and are completely loyal to the USA and disagree with ruining relations with the people you share a border, history, and common culture with.

If the Northeastern Texas province, Texea, after all this turmoil, were to DEMOCRATICALLY vote to succeed from Texas, and rejoin the United States like it always wanted to, WTF would Russia really have to say about that? Because that's the United States in the REAL WORLD. We are telling Crimea it can't do what they want because of our interests in trade half a world away. Americans, in the reverse scenario I laid out, would be like "What the hell does Russia have to do with that vote for Northwestern Texas rejoining America like it always wanted?"

Also, if The United States were to get involved on behalf of the half of Texans that still consider themselves American, who just had their President illegally kicked out, what would Russia really have to do with THAT? Well that's us. Half a world away pretending we have some f*cking business over there.

Do you see how stupid and weak our freakin position is over there? To hate Russia for this situation is the ultimate in not taking an objective look at a situation.
 
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I completely agree only people who are completely ignorant of the history of Crimea, Russia and Ukraine hate Russia for this.

So basically ignorant Western Europeans, brainwashed neoconservative Christians, and brainwashed neoliberal who believe every word Hillary or CNN says.

The true hard cold brutal fact is that America has committed its fair share of crimes. The US was not as bad as the USSR but we have done unspeakable things like the Coup in Chile

Or the Iran Contra affair

Or the War in Iraq.

Obama a had the fuc nerve to say that Iraq wasnt as bad as the crimea annexation. Despite the fact that over 500,00 Iraqis were killed and that Iraq is now a failed state.


America is a hypocrite and so is Russia, China, France, UK, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia etc. However, America is in the wrong on this one.
 
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Break up of the soviet union was great, the borders enacted were retarded especially the joke that is/was ukraine. They will be broken up more in the future.
 
You forgot the part where the democratically elected pro-US president in exile in the USA calls for Texas territorial integrity to be respected.

This without going into how the democratically pro-US president would face jail in any real democracy due to blatant cases of corruption. And how he sent his opposition to jail.
 
Break up of the soviet union was great, the borders enacted were retarded especially the joke that is/was ukraine. They will be broken up more in the future.

No it wasn't. The USSR was founded for good reasons and stood for a better world. Its collapse was nothing but sad. Stalin was scum but the system and institutions were not and the foundation wasn't bad.
 
You forgot the part where the democratically elected pro-US president in exile in the USA calls for Texas territorial integrity to be respected.

This without going into how the democratically pro-US president would face jail in any real democracy due to blatant cases of corruption. And how he sent his opposition to jail.

We currently have one candidate who has been selling political favors for years, who just rigged the primary through corruption.. And another moron who is threatening to throw the opposition in jail.
 
Break up of the soviet union was great, the borders enacted were retarded especially the joke that is/was ukraine. They will be broken up more in the future.

No it wasn't. The USSR was founded for good reasons and stood for a better world. Its collapse was nothing but sad. Stalin was scum but the system and institutions were not and the foundation wasn't bad.
 
No it wasn't. The USSR was founded for good reasons and stood for a better world. Its collapse was nothing but sad. Stalin was scum but the system and institutions were not and the foundation wasn't bad.

Yes forcing people under the moronic brutal idiotic commie pipe dream that was the shit hole USSR was good and stood for a better world.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

It to often on here you fools haven't a remote clue wtf you are talking about.
 
Wow, I never agree with @Amerikuracana , but having grown up in Kiev, I'm pledging my support.
He is just speaking truth here
 
You forgot the part where the democratically elected pro-US president in exile in the USA calls for Texas territorial integrity to be respected.

This without going into how the democratically pro-US president would face jail in any real democracy due to blatant cases of corruption. And how he sent his opposition to jail.

Don't care. He makes the point which is that America is self interested and corrupt as hell.
 
Liked it so much you reposted it, huh? It's still wrong for the same reasons I explained to you in the other thread. Texas is not to the USA as Ukraine is to Russia. Your whole scenario counts on that to be true and it is false.
 
Not going to read carefully when the first line says "Imagine Texas succeeds from the United states..."
 
As an American I vote for note giving a shit in the matter. Call it noneofmybusinessitus. Somewhere between being a hermit and interfering with other folks' governance.
 
We lost our moral high ground a long time ago. No need for this comparison.
 
Crimea is not the issue, Donbass is.
 
Obama a had the fuc nerve to say that Iraq wasnt as bad as the crimea annexation. Despite the fact that over 500,00 Iraqis were killed and that Iraq is now a failed state.

Pretty sure it was much more than 500,000 but you have to understand that number was mainly attributed to Iraqis killing Iraqis. That's why my deployment there in 2008 was so easy. The "enemies" were just too busy killing each other.
 
Liked it so much you reposted it, huh? It's still wrong for the same reasons I explained to you in the other thread. Texas is not to the USA as Ukraine is to Russia. Your whole scenario counts on that to be true and it is false.

You're right.. Ukranians are much closer, genetically, to Russians than Texans are to the rest of America. So it kind of makes MORE sense for Russia to really care. Thanks.
 
Not going to read carefully when the first line says "Imagine Texas succeeds from the United states..."

It's called "putting things in perspective."

The Soviet Union falling apart was different than states succeeding, I will kind of agree with that, but the relationship has enough similarities, and the remaining ties between the two countries are similar enough to make the analogy.
 
No it wasn't. The USSR was founded for good reasons and stood for a better world. Its collapse was nothing but sad. Stalin was scum but the system and institutions were not and the foundation wasn't bad.
Yeah eating shit food and not having decent porn must have been awesome
 
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