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Explain this to a non-fighter as I am: 171 vs 174 lbs

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  1. Kaiserjuan

    Kaiserjuan Blue Belt

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    I follow MMA a lot but I've never fought professionally or as an amateur, just a few scuffles in "da streets" as a teenager.

    171 vs 174 is basically a 1.5 kg difference which, in normal life, is basically nothing if you are getting into a physical altercation with someone. Being 1.5 kg's or 3 pounds heavier realistically does not give you a serious weight and strenght advantage over your opponent, as far as I'm concerned.

    I'm not saying fighters should fight at whichever weight they want and, to me, making weight means being professional and respectful towards your opponent's efforts. It is also true that sometimes things just go wrong or you're not getting good technical advice, so the fighter is not always at fault.

    What's your opinion on this, can a few pounds influence significantly the outcome of a professional fight or is it just about the fighter and maybe his team not being serious and professional enough, if not, at times, incompetent?
     
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  2. Psychedelic

    Psychedelic Red Belt

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    At the highest level of competition, 1.5 kilos is something.

    /thread.
     
  3. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Black Belt

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    171 is 171

    174 is 174
     
  4. Frode Falch

    Frode Falch Gold Belt Professional Fighter

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    When they both rehydrate and eat food again, the difference between the two will be MUCH more then 1.5 kg
     
  5. kabanos

    kabanos Blue Belt Platinum Member

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    The problem is not the weight itself at the weight ins. Is what happens before.

    Till is just less affected by dehydration.
     
  6. Matt Hutchings

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    It's "only a few pounds" at the weigh in but come fight night it could be 10-15, maybe more, so effectively a weight class.
     
  7. lalaland

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    Thompson allegedly rehydrates to ~185 lbs. Till allegedly rehydrates to 90 kg, which is 198-200 lbs.
     
  8. Davey Crockett

    Davey Crockett Mane, Firmino, Salah

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    3lbs difference at flyweight has more impact than at heavyweight.
     
  9. bryank

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    Exactly this. It's not the 3lbs... it's the amount of work that was required of Wonderboy to lose the 3 lbs that was not required if Till. Also, as another poster pointed out, often the guys who have trouble making a weight class balloonup significantly for fight time.
     
  10. SeaLevelMizugaki

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    Even as a fan of Till, this is much.

    The last 3 pounds are the hardest to cut and Till didnt do that whereas WB did.
     
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  11. Matt Hutchings

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    Exactly. Till is unsuccessfully trying to cut through the middleweight class (which is where he should be if he really does walk around as a light-heavyweight, as he says) to gain an advantage in welterweight.
     
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  12. mmaElite53

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    I get your point, but the thing is when you cut as much weight as Till/Dern have to, its those last few pounds that are a b*tch to cut, and take a real toll on you.

    Giving up on that weight cut is usually giving you not a weight advantage, but an overall energy/well being advantage over an opponent who taxed themselves the extra mile to be a professional.

    Till knows this, he wants to be a huge WW without even actually making the cut to WW. Pretty jacked up, isn’t it?
     
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    Fixed
     
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    This and the extra effort that should've gone into meeting his contractual obligations to make the WW division weight limit would have taken more out of Till which could have affected his performance in the fight.

    So while he will feel the consequences in his purse, he will get to be in better shape for the actual fight by not finishing what's clearly a large weight cut.
     
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    because its an extra 1.5 kg when he is dehydrated, how much of an advantage will it be once he is hydrated? Wonderboy walks around at about 185. Till walks around at over 200. If Till is able to put back on about 15/20lbs overnight he will have a major size advantage
     
  16. EGarrett

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    Okay, in sports, there's this thing called "rules"...
     
  17. CasterMard

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    WB doesn't even cut that much, he was 182 vs Woodley, while Till will be closer to 192
     
  18. 0-1

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    Some peoples bodys allow them to cut huge amounts of water and rehydrate it back straight after with no problem. Other peoples bodys simply shut down and causes all kinds of health problems, Till like mcgreggor is able to cut huge amounts of water trouble free, giving them an extra 4lbs gose a long way come fight night that equates to ALOT more than 4lbs after rehydrating.
     
  19. warriorscomeout

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    Try sweating out the last 3 lbs which is a big bottle of water when you’re already borderline dying.

    Like imagine waking up after your worst binge drink episode except you can’t drink and you’re not even still drunk. Times x5.

    Doctors refuse to do studies on professional weight cutting because it amounts to trying to almost kill yourself.

    So the dude who doesn’t cut the last couple of PAINFUL pounds has a mental and physical advantage. Including maybe having more blood and muscle sugar because he didn’t fuck up his system. You can’t magically refuel your organism over 24 hours, especially with the IV ban.
     
  20. Herwald

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    Yeah, it's nothing. Wonderboy should've just weighed in at 177lbs. Fuck it. Whatever. Decided to have weight classes, but let's miss weight...
     
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