Eddie Bravo on Ari Bolden

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  1. esila Green Belt

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    from the UG, original post here:

    http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum.posts&thread=1482225&forum=11&page=1&pc=13

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    When Ari contacted me about affiliation I didn't have any affiliates yet, he and Brandon ended up being my first 2. I admit, I didn't have any idea how I would run this satellite program at first.

    I knew that Jorge Gurgel had 12 schools and I remember thinking I should ask him how he manages it all.

    How am I gonna rank these affiliates and their students if they are hundreds of miles away?

    Online?

    Do I make them fly out to LA to rank them? Through videos?

    Before I go any further with the affiliation process, I have to explain exactly how my ranking system works.

    Back when I first opened my school I had a lot of decisions to make about how I was gonna rank people in my no-gi system.

    Do I honor traditional bjj belts?

    Since my style has no collar chokes and no sleeve and jacket pulling sweeps how will my ranking be accepted in bjj? Do I even really care?

    So many questions I needed answers to.

    A 10th planet black belt can have zero knowledge of gi submissions/passes/sweeps, so how the hell can he be accepted as a traditional bjj black belt?

    What do I do if a traditional bjj black belt who doesn't know the rubber guard, the twister variations, and the lockdown half guard wants to join my affiliation?

    There is no way I can have a 10thpjj black belt who doesn't have all that mastered, so how do I do this?

    How can a pure no-gi style that is based on the rubber guard, the twister and the lockdown with absolutely no collar and sleeve techniques be ranked in the same way as a style that is primarily based in collar and sleeve techniques with no rubber guard, lockdown and twister?

    It started to become clear to me that the 10thpjj style was it's own separate system that would eventually totally separate from it's base style.

    But even though my style was moving further and further away from bjj I decided to keep the ranking colors and system the same instead of changing color order or adding colors, afterall my style is rooted in traditional bjj, so why not keep the belt system as certificates of rank?

    I also decided to honor all belt rankings from bjj at face value except black. If you came into my system a blue belt you would be a blue in my system, if you came in a purple you would be a purple in my system too. But if you came in a black belt, I would consider you a brown in 10thpjj.

    You would get your black once you mastered the rubber guard, the twister and the lockdwon series.

    I knew that things would probably need some serious tweaking as the association grew but I wasn't sure exactly how it was all gonna unfold. I never started my own jiu jitsu federation before, it was beginning to get a little overwhelming.

    Since I was accepting traditional bjj ranking into my system how would I accept the other submission arts like submission wrestling, sambo, japanese jiu jitsu, judo?

    As far as ranking was concerned, I decided to only honor bjj rankings at face value upon entering the system but I would also factor in a persons prior non bjj submission experience, like sambo, judo, JJJ, if they were black belts and had incorporated the 10thpjj system into their arsenal as well.

    For example, when Einstein joined 10thplanet he was already a blue, so he was automatically a blue in 10thp, no background check, no handing him a blue belt, no pictures of me handing him a blue, nothing, he was just a blue. I believed him that he was a blue and I never did any investigating.

    When Avi came in as a purple, there was no promotion festival for him, he just remained a purple in the 10thp system, again with no background check.

    Remember, I was starting a jiu jitsu empire all by myself, I barley could keep up with everything and had no time to check everyone's lineage, I just had faith in them.

    When Shigeki joined 10thp he was also already a purple, so that meant he was already a purple in my system, no special belt promotion ceremony, no nothing, no checking of his lineage, he was automatically a 10thp purple. I just trusted him.

    When Alder joined 10thp he was already a blue, so he was automatically a 10thp blue, no getting on the internet to check if his blue was legit, no special announcement, no nothing, he was just a 10thp blue.

    Dustin came in as a blue, he remained blue, same with Blalock, Denny, Brent and so on.

    Vinny Magalhaes and George Sotiropolis are both bjj black belts so that means they are learning the 10thp system as brown belts. I didn't give them a brown belt party, they are just 10thp brown belts.

    Bottom line, no matter how much this blue belt knows or how much this purple belt doesn't know, in the end, when it's all said and done, no one is a 10thp black belt unless he has a great all round game, like a great mount, rnc, passing, darce, etc but especially the rubber guard, twister and lockdown.

    So back to Ari. When he initially contacted me, he gave me the rundown on his grappling experience including his black belt in Japanese jiu jitsu. He told me that his JJJ was more ground based than the other JJJ styles and he also said that he had been fusing the 10thpjj system into his system for a while. Again, no background checks of lineage, I just trusted him.

    He said he was committed to mastering the 10th planet style and wanted to become an affiliate so I booked him for a seminar a few months later.

    Since I was only honoring bjj belts at face value and not JJJ belts, he wasn't gonna enter the 10thp system as a brown like Vinny and George.

    But since he did incorporate the 10thp system into his JJJ style I decided after watching his online videos that he would automatically enter the system as a blue. No belt ceremony, no picture of me handing him a blue belt, no nothing, he was just a 10thp blue.

    A few months later when I got to Victoria and did the seminar I was super impressed with his 10th planet knowledge. It was obvious that he was studying hard for the affiliation, he had all my books memorized and was like a walking 10th planet encyclopedia, and he had a natural ability for teaching.

    He has 2 awesome students, Tristan Connelly and Red who are doing very well in Canadian tournaments. Red's 10thp technique is quite amazing, especially his rubber guard. He rarely made mistakes during the entire 4 hour seminar. Ari did such an amazing job with him and Tristan that I decided to give him a 10thp purple.
     
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  2. esila Green Belt

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    Ari doesn't have a strong competitive fire and still has many holes in his game, but when I roll with him, I have lots of trouble pulling off any rubber guard. He has very strong posture and is great at pulling out of oma plata attempts. His limp arms are top notch. I usually have to resort to my half guard game with him. Watch the videos of us rolling. Although he's a long way away from his black belt he's alot better than all the Ari haters think.

    It's amazing how all the Ari haters are judging his skills by what they see in his videos yet these are the same people that think it's impossible to truly rank someone online by watching videos.

    At my academy sometimes promotions are given to people that may not have the physical and mental attributes of champions but they have vast 10th planet jiu jitsu knowledge and/or are excellent teachers. Although Ari probably won't ever be a fierce competition beast, he does have the 10thp system down and is a great teacher too. That's why I gave him his 10thp purple.

    We had 2 black belts back in the day that fit this description. They were brazilian jiu jitsu yodas who had a real talent for conveying jiu jitsu theories and strategies but it was not uncommon for them to get tapped by purples.

    But no one ever questioned the legitimacy of their black belts because we all knew they had true black belt wisdom. Their lack of competitive firepower was never held against them.

    Any time a purple would brag about tapping black belts we all knew what blacks they were braggin about submitting.

    Again it was just something we all accepted, some people are not great competitors, some people will always buckle under pressure, some people will never have a ferocious attitude while rolling and competing.

    But if they can soak up massive jiu jitsu information and pass it along with on-point teaching they would get promoted anyways.

    They had black belt brains but were unlucky in the genetics department. I learned alot from them and so did most who were taught by them.

    Ari is not a 10thp black belt or even a brown belt, he is just a 10th Planet purple with a lot still left to learn.
     
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  3. Noren White Belt

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    Good read
     
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  4. delt16 Blue Belt

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    +1 for Eddie's explanation
     
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  5. Mattyno Guest

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    I just don't understand, with the internet being the way it is, why the 10th planet people just don't stop talking. It seems to me that if Eddie and all is instructor teach and their students learn, and they do nothing else other than that, all of this will blow over in time, and they would prolly create some competitive grapplers through this. But with stuff like this post, it doesn't matter how logical or smart of a statement Eddie can make, it will ALWAYS be more fuel for the fire.

    Having said that, this:

    Was a really intelligent/funny rebuttal to a lot of what's said.

    Anyways... I still think they should just put their nose to the proverbial grindstone, ignore what people are saying, and just make good fighters/grapplers and sooner or later the sentiment would change.
     
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  6. nefti Black Belt

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    I guess it really doesn't matter to the public, we/they are not paying ari to teach them nor is he affiliate/ranked by our instructors. The real question is this; Would ari, just by books and videos... be able to perform and understand "your" jiu jitsu as well as a purple that has taken your classes every for years? Let's not forget, that the purple in your school has loyally supported your school with tuition and being a good memeber of the family. Are you saying that Ari is equal to him?
     
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  7. EternalRag3 Rear Naked Poker

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    I can understand giving shirts to those who have BJJ experience, since BJJ is the root art of 10PJJ. But JJJ? Too much variation IMO...
     
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  8. xMikeyX Purple Belt

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    What does Eddie have to say about the videos of Ari showing bad Judo Techniques?
     
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  9. ShanghaiBJJ Brown Belt

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    Also Ari cannot even provide lineage for his JJJ blackbelts, one of which is from an association that he founded and is the president of.
     
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  10. Mattyno Guest

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    As I've stated in a number of treads I am not defending, I just thought that what he said was a decent quip
     
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  11. BSFT Brown Belt

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    why would it matter what Eddie would/wouldn't say? he's not a Judo guy, he's a 10thPlanet guy, i must have missed the part of the post about having to be flawless in Judo to get a 10P affiliation?
     
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  12. NinjaKilla187 Blue Belt

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    This is fucking worse that mcdojo. this is a systems with zero credibility. Any jagoff can claim a background in drunken monkeyshit quan fu do and get ranking in 10thp without any verification?

    Its totally obvios Eddie will give rank to anyone he thinks can make him money. Mc-motha-fuggin-dojo. End of story.
     
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  13. xMikeyX Purple Belt

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    Eddie claims Ari is such a great teacher of 10th planet stuff and that makes him purple belt quality- but what about his terrible teachings of other arts?

    Your sarcasm is cute here but I'm confused- are you an Ari Bolden supporter or a 10th planet supporter, or both or neither (neither=troll). Have you not seen him teach poor techniques and are you not worried that Ari is more about "creating" and selling techniques to make money than teaching an art?
     
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  14. Joey Burke Blue Belt

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    Eddie is a cool guy, but (why do so many posts about him start this way, haha) he should have had time to verify people's lineage if he had time to verify their affiliate fees cleared the bank..

    edit:
    I once got contacted by someone who lives near me who wanted to do a joint venture and claimed he had distribution and funding ability that would enable him to put a product of mine on shelves. I was working 18+ hours a day trying to get things done and it sounded like an ideal partnership. Before I even considered his offer, I did some basic Google searches on his e-mail address and found that he was into weird porno, terrible music, scams, and bullshitting people on the internet about his capabilities. You have to watch your ass.
     
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  15. Jagcorps_esq Red Belt

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    It's an explanation at least and helps in some way understand his theory of ranking.
     
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  16. StoicDude Blue Belt

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    Eddie wants to make money and has taken some shortcuts, which bit him in the ass.
     
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  17. hayliks Red Belt

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    Ari still doesn't know how to shrimp without looking like a white belt in any JJ system
     
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  18. wellwell Yellow Belt

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    This could make for some fun Sherdog speculation!
     
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  19. Tony Manifold Brown Belt

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    I have answered the question of what his JJJ is but no one seems to care. They would just rather bash and argue.
     
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  20. Afrofeet Green Belt

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    I lost my respect for Eddie Bravo now.
     
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