Eddie Bravo Invitational 14: The Absolutes

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  1. FatherSauce

    FatherSauce Blue Belt

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    You "earn" it under this rule set by making it through regulation without being submitted.

    It is under this rule set.

    I really don't understand these arguments. It's just saying, "I don't think these rules are right because they're not these other rules." OK, and? That's a pointless argument because the other side says the same thing and it doesn't make either right. I like the rule set but I also like points. I think having a variety of rules is good for grappling and people can choose to generalise or specialize as they want. As long as the rules are focused on something valuable in grappling, they have value. The ability to escape bad positions quickly is a valuable so EBI rules have value.
     
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  2. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    is throwing a coin a clear winner? have all judges decision always found a clear winner... actually fastest escape is more clear than judges decision, at least you know what you based the winner on, some judges decision cannot be understood.
     
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  3. Dogstarman

    Dogstarman Old man jiu jitsu

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    So attempting a sweep or submission from guard and winning by advantage indicates a clear winner? I mean in IBJJF it does. Listen if I show my dad an ibjjf match and the guy holds guard, attempts a sub and gets an advantage, as soon as he gets the advantage he holds guard pretending to work and wins. My dad would be bored to tears. At least in the EBI rule set there is a clear winner and loser indicated by the rule set. I'm not saying IBJJF isn't important. But the goals of each tournament are different.

    Another point I would like to add is, yes being able to escape submission attempts or bad positions is an indication of being a complete grappler.
     
  4. kenetics

    kenetics Black Belt

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    I understand that it's the rules. I just stated that they suck. I'm sure some of these guys just try to make it to overtime just to be put in a dominate position that they would never get in the first place lol.
     
  5. Dogstarman

    Dogstarman Old man jiu jitsu

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    How about the guys who just pull guard and who try and win by advantages?
     
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  6. kenetics

    kenetics Black Belt

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    They still have to earn the advantage with a deep sub attack or almost stabilizing a position. They are just not given a position.

    You will have alot of advantages when he top guys go against each other.
     
  7. yetanother

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    Advantages suck. Some kinda of make sense like the one for forcing the guard player to turtle
    Ref decisions sucks extremely hard. Personally I don't even celebrate them when I win like and just consider them advancing in the tournament not proper victories.

    EBI style OT I don't consider even consider jiu jitsu (it's not something I train and compete or have an interest in watching).
     
  8. Ryo

    Ryo Black Belt

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    Advantages suck... They are completely fucking gay... and they need to go away...
     
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  9. Dogstarman

    Dogstarman Old man jiu jitsu

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    No matter what the rule set people will not be happy. I enjoy the EBI rule set. I like the tournament, it's fun to watch.
     
  10. kenetics

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    No they don't. It's hard to score at the highest level.
     
  11. Madmick

    Madmick The Real Hexakaideca Cherokee Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    They are the people who run EBI 14. You're in an EBI 14 thread.

    The rest isn't rocket science.
     
  12. Dogstarman

    Dogstarman Old man jiu jitsu

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    Which is stupid because you don't get paid in overtime. You only get paid if you sub in regulation.
     
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  13. trustdoesntrust

    trustdoesntrust Purple Belt

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    To me, the EBI OT is "advantages" for the sub-only set. I don't get why every BJJ ruleset has to cannibalize itself with some artificial technicality. EBI sets out to be this awesome thing where anything goes and stallers aren't invited, but then it's like "oh yeah you can also just stall to the OT and win by fastest escape."
     
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  14. kenetics

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    But you get paid by doing seminars later on where you can claim you beat someone by winning in the overtime..
     
  15. Dogstarman

    Dogstarman Old man jiu jitsu

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    I guess but you dont get the 20k potential. I mean 5k a win is a lot of money to turn down.

    I don't disagree with you. Usually those really defensive guys who do nothing lose. There was a purple belt at EBI 13 that had really stubborn defense and would just scramble out of every bad position. He lost the second round. I don't like those matches either. It's like you said with advantages. You can win with them but you aren't going to beat a high level guy like Gordon Ryan by just defending and doing nothing hoping to win in overtime. It will be really difficult or near impossible.
     
  16. mataleaos

    mataleaos Purple Belt

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    I know it's hard to score at the highest level but I would rather a tie come down to judges instead of advantages. Advantages are so subjective anyways, and they lead to some of the more over the top meta-gaming in BJJ. I feel like advantages are like half a point for bricked free throws instead of air balls.

    That might not be the best analogy but it just seems weird to give a score for "almost" doing something successfully.

    I think they could maybe improve the point system and do away with advantages. I wish they would give 4 points for back control with a body triangle (and not just hooks), give 2 or even 3 points for a crucifix, and maybe give 2 points for forcing someone to turtle after you cleanly pass the guard.
     
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  17. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    its absolutely the same, you get paid by doing seminars where you can claim you beat people on judges decision... . orlando fucking sanchez beat 4 guys by literally being bigger and stronger and pushing them more times out out bounds.. He still won adcc. Those matches were the definition of a travesty match.

    its actually quite simple, you dont want people to be on your back without earning the position? well finish the match, or may be score (im advocating ebi ot over judges decision at any type of rule set).
     
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  18. kenetics

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    It's hard to dominate great opponents. If two out of the three refs agree that you win, I'm ok with the decision.
     
  19. trustdoesntrust

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    The biggest hidden problem with the IBJJF point system is that sweeps are way overvalued. Sweeps are one of the easiest scoring moves to get in BJJ, sometimes happening almost by accident, yet the 2 points are just one less than passing the guard, which is one of the most difficult things to do (at the highest level). When you add that the guard player has more opportunities to get advantages than the top player, sweeping becomes the primary move in most BJJ matches, such that the beginning of the match is a race to see who can start on bottom.
     
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  20. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    so you think its better to win a match via stalling via stalling for 20 minutes than by actually performing a technique?

    sorry it really makes no sense.

    I think I would agree when the decision is lets say a clear 10-8, but when the decision is not clear, ebi ot rules is a great solution for the problem.
     
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