Duterte's War on Drugs | Page 3

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by AshiharaFan, Nov 12, 2017.

  1. GSP_37 Gold Belt

    GSP_37
    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2007
    Messages:
    19,282
    Likes Received:
    4,358
    Location:
    Hawaii
    How the fuck did that asshole get elected? He bragged about killing someone just for looking at him when he was 16.
     
    #41
    steve38 and ShinkanPo like this.
  2. SaiWa Purple Belt

    SaiWa
    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2011
    Messages:
    1,790
    Likes Received:
    990
    I had to look up Shabu. Didn't realize it was the Asian slang for meth.

    Cause Shabu-Shabu is Japanese hot pot and I am like "daaaayymmmn" that shit is addictively delicious! I'd kill me some people for some shabu-shabu.
     
    #42
    Sohei, steve38 and ShinkanPo like this.
  3. ShinkanPo Queen of Bad Jokes!

    ShinkanPo
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Messages:
    20,939
    Likes Received:
    10,097
    Location:
    Strange Realm
    China and Russia meddled in the Philippine elections flooded the social media tons of anti western crap from 2012 onwards. And the previous administration that is tottaly corrupt and incimpetent happen to be very pro American and pro west and anti China in away.


    It is just naturally easy pickings for the Duterte camp to attack the west and any pro west candidate.
     
    #43
    GSP_37 likes this.
  4. aus101 Brown Belt

    aus101
    Joined:
    May 5, 2011
    Messages:
    4,742
    Likes Received:
    1,268
    Location:
    sydney
    Look up Portugal. He could do that.
     
    #44
  5. WorldofWarcraft Holy Paladin

    WorldofWarcraft
    Joined:
    May 7, 2008
    Messages:
    19,359
    Likes Received:
    7,311
    Location:
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
    This shit is way overblown. I feel perfectly safe here and people are still smoking weed and nobody gives a shit.
     
    #45
  6. aus101 Brown Belt

    aus101
    Joined:
    May 5, 2011
    Messages:
    4,742
    Likes Received:
    1,268
    Location:
    sydney
    It's ridiculous, illegal substances cause a fraction of the harm legal substances (alcohol, cigs and prescription drugs) do, and all substances don't do as much harm as merely a modern sedentary lifestyle (heart disease bitches the drug deaths), yet we have Einsteins over here going after "evil users of bad substances" like it's the 20s.

    Fuck me prohibition, it's always a government scam to crack down on their population.
    "These substances are so bad we will arrest (in this case shoot) you for doing them".

    Meanwhile eat as much cals as you want, drink all day and smoke, we only care about the substances we don't get a tax off.
     
    #46
    ShinkanPo and CEROVFC like this.
  7. sniper Sergei Provider

    sniper
    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2005
    Messages:
    2,204
    Likes Received:
    5,519
    Jesus. It's frightening to know there are people out here that believe murdering another human being is justified if they use drugs. Human life really means shit.
     
    #47
    lifelessheap and Cid like this.
  8. AshiharaFan Purple Belt

    AshiharaFan
    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,980
    Likes Received:
    689
    Location:
    Far Down The Rabbit Hole
    Now Duterte's honesty and integrity will be under a microscope if what you say is true. Let the games begin.
     
    #48
  9. AshiharaFan Purple Belt

    AshiharaFan
    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,980
    Likes Received:
    689
    Location:
    Far Down The Rabbit Hole
    My wife said the same thing almost word for word. She was animated too.

    <{spoogebab}>
     
    #49
  10. AgonyandIrony Silver Belt

    AgonyandIrony
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    14,437
    Likes Received:
    6,032
    The dude is fucking clown shoes.
     
    #50
    ShinkanPo likes this.
  11. Peloquin Nightbreed Belt

    Peloquin
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2017
    Messages:
    1,544
    Likes Received:
    2,679
    Location:
    Deep below Midian with the berserkers
    anyone post this yet? Trump getting serenaded by Duerte
     
    #51
  12. helltoupee Brown Belt

    helltoupee
    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2015
    Messages:
    4,763
    Likes Received:
    4,700
    Location:
    on one wheel
    So basically you are making an "ends justifies the means" argument.

    Hell, we could eliminate drunk driving and car accidents if we just confiscate everyone's cars! And nobody would die in house fires if everyone just slept under the stars! Imagine how the obesity epidemic would disappear if we just threw all fat people into vats of boiling acid! Fuck ya bro!

    Lack of options doesn't mean you resort to extremes. Just because I don't have any aspirin handy, doesn't mean I'm going to chop off my head if I have a headache.
     
    #52
    FinalFight likes this.
  13. Cid Silver Belt

    Cid
    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2003
    Messages:
    12,276
    Likes Received:
    2,098
    Location:
    Australia
    OK

    You can die from alcohol withdrawal, much more likely to die from alcohol withdrawal than heroin. It's really understated how addictive alcohol can be.

    Capture rate (percentage of users who reported that they had become dependent to their respective drug at some point) for tobacco is larger than heroin.

    Not to mention you're just listing the worst out of hundreds if not thousands of different options in the illegal drug market.

    There are hundreds of illegal drugs safer than alcohol or tobacco.

    It's probably worse.

    DUI deaths are around 10,000. I doubt junkies looking for a fix account for 10,000 murders. Sure there's a difference in intent but that's outweighed by the real total consequence to society.

    Hopefully this becomes a moot point in the next few decades with driverless car technology.

    American police seizures shit all over the 4th amendment so badly that asset forfeiture from police was larger that that of the total physical theft for the entire country.

    You have a crime wave occurring by your own police where seizures can be implemented without conviction coupled with an appeal process where the person has to prove their innocent often to a fucking prosecutor.

    We're talking about killing people without due process in Duterte but you already have a lite version of this with civil asset forfeiture. Not only are you giving up your right to decide what risks you take with your body you're also allowing your property to be taken away often without due process.



    Also while not quoted I also noticed you seem to infer that Portugal, a european country with a pretty high HDI has statistics that don't seem as believable as the lowly developed, poor south east asian often fraught with corruption Indonesia where the president has started killing people without trial.

    This is not a logical position in the slightest.
     
    #53
    helltoupee and lifelessheap like this.
  14. AshiharaFan Purple Belt

    AshiharaFan
    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,980
    Likes Received:
    689
    Location:
    Far Down The Rabbit Hole
    No I'm not! That's how you choose to (mis)interpret my posts. My argument is that "Duterte's approach can logically work in the long run but I would prefer to see a different more humane option that would work just as good if not better." That and "Illegal substance abuse is a nuisance which I would like to see eradicated somehow."
     
    #54
  15. ShinkanPo Queen of Bad Jokes!

    ShinkanPo
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Messages:
    20,939
    Likes Received:
    10,097
    Location:
    Strange Realm

    That is the problem Duterte created for him self he just said so many BS, that only his die hard supporters will believe.

    He admitted him self he tells lots of lies and jokes.



    He says a lot of ridiculous things that may really not be true like saying he stabbed some one to death and then saying he just said that in jest.

    The problem here is when do we know when he is serious or not? A seating president should not be saying so many jokes like that specially in public addressing your constituents in a foreign land like when he said that at the gathering of Filipino community in Vietnam.

    Can you imagine if President Trump have said something like that?

    And yet his political base thinks it is okay because they believe him that he is doing the right thing.

    So we better ask his die hard supporters, when did political discourse include profanities and bad jokes? When did this type of discourse became acceptable?


    http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2...e-admits-only-2-out-5-his-statements-are-true


    There have been a lot of killing attributed with the Drug War before Duterte came to power but his statements and his blatant attacks against the UN,EU and the USA in 2016 did not help the situation.

    All his threats did not help the economy.

    Ease of doing business ranking for the Philippine deteriorated under his leadership.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/philippines/ease-of-doing-business
    Foreign investments down 14% in 1st 6 months

     
    #55
  16. AshiharaFan Purple Belt

    AshiharaFan
    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2015
    Messages:
    1,980
    Likes Received:
    689
    Location:
    Far Down The Rabbit Hole
    Perhaps one of use can post statistics showing how many deaths occurred due to alcohol withdrawal and how many of them occurred due to heroin overdose? Pointing out that a person CAN die from alcohol withdrawal doesn't mean much when people are not dying of alcohol withdrawal as much as people dying from heroin overdose.

    Well, I'm not talking about tobacco which I've never heard anyone dying over except for certain cancers linked to cigarette smoking. But I've yet to hear of a cigarette overdose or someone pulling a home invasion to come up with the money to get a pack of smokes.

    And I listed tangibles as opposed to what ifs or possibles. We'll get better traction that way imo.

    I beg to differ. You are looking at it from a "self bodily harm" pov. I was looking at it from a "the harm addicts do to others to get what they want" pov since the beginning of this conversation. Even mad man Duterte never cited the self harm argument. His thing seems to be the harm that drug addiction does to people other than addicts and society as a whole. At least that's what he claims publicly.

    I'm inclined to agree with you but I would not be surprised if I were to look into it and find out that junkies looking for a fix also accounted for those numbers. That number maybe too big for one city or even one state, but for the entire U.S. it's totally possible. And let's not forget that illegal substances are also included in those numbers so we don't know how many of those 10,000 or so DUI deaths were cases where the guilty parties were under the influence of something other than alcohol. But it's like you said, the INTENT is what separates the two. A DUI death is considered manslaughter while a death during a robbery or home invasion goes to as murder. But if it were up to me people who drive while under the influence would receive the severest possible punishment. I think those people are inconsiderate scum.

    <30>

    Well for the record I VEHEMENTLY disagree with Duterte's program with the lack of due process especially since some people are supposedly dealt with based on suspicion alone which is really fucked up. But I'll say again that no one on earth (including Portugal which I'll get to below) has come up with a viable and "serious crack down" solution to drug addiction and the problems that drug addiction imposes on a given society. It's a shame that some people become so desperate that a solution such as Duterte's sounds almost practical.

    I'll put it to you in a way that you should understand. Let's say my professional mma record is 20-0 with only 4 KOs. That's a boring ass resume, no? Now let's say that instead of only 4 KOs the rules were changed to where if I knock a fighter down more than once over the course of a fight then that is recorded as a knockout! And I managed to knock at least 17 out of 20 opponents down two or more times during the fights so now my resume looks lovely; 20-0 17 wins by KO. See the what I did there?

    What I am saying is that Portugal has decriminalized recreational drug use and reduced certain drug possession crimes to "minor offenses". OF COURSE this will make the numbers look differently than what they did before Portugal started this thing of theirs. But my MAIN POINT is that Portugal is essentially doing something which I believe Duterte refuses to do which is essentially placating drug addicts instead of trying to clean up their country and completely rid themselves of illegal drug use. Big difference between the two approaches so really shouldn't eve be compared if you ask me. That too helps change their statistics. It's better than nothing sure but as long as you still have broke and jobless drug addicts needing money to pay for drugs, certain amounts of drug possession as still being criminal offenses and people competing for drug business, you will still have ALL of the problems that come with these no matter what "official numbers" say. The Government of the United States has "official numbers" concerning the sexual assault rate in this country. Do you think even for a second that those numbers REALLY reflect the total number of sexual assaults that take place here? Every country fudges their numbers to look better to the rest of the world.
     
    #56
  17. Khabibs Tiramisu White Belt

    Khabibs Tiramisu
    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2017
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    104
    Glad to hear a foreigner actually visiting the Philippines and finding out that this shit is way overblown lmao.

    I invite any foreigner to do the same so you can find out for yourself instead of you opening your mouth without having any idea what you're all talking about.

    Mainstream news has made it appear like Philippines has become a war zone littered with dead bodies. And anyone disputing that will be labeled "Duterte apologists".
     
    #57
  18. steve38 Brown Belt

    steve38
    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2015
    Messages:
    4,217
    Likes Received:
    5,761
    Location:
    Philippines / US
    LOL...It's the ASEAN conference now and everything is cleaned up....and weed is almost legal in Philippines.
     
    #58
  19. steve38 Brown Belt

    steve38
    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2015
    Messages:
    4,217
    Likes Received:
    5,761
    Location:
    Philippines / US
    Dumb. I live here and every Filipino with a brain is outraged about DU30....even the one's that voted for him. I still check "yes" on the public support ballots that are passed my way. Better than getting killed.
     
    #59
    helltoupee and ShinkanPo like this.
  20. ShinkanPo Queen of Bad Jokes!

    ShinkanPo
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Messages:
    20,939
    Likes Received:
    10,097
    Location:
    Strange Realm
    There are surveys being conducted? By the Barang-Gays?
     
    #60
    steve38 likes this.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"