Dr. Ron Paul: PC Is Trampling The First Amendment

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  1. Fawlty

    Fawlty radical centrist

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    Hate speech in and of itself is definitely protected- only hate speech that has the characteristics of incitement, threats, or meeting a certain threshold of harassment or disturbing the peace, slander, discrimination etc. is not. Hate speech more often has those characteristics for sure, but it has to break the law in a way that isn't exclusive to the hatefulness of the speech. And it's a good way to get yourself a stiffer sentence or fine. I think we're in a pretty good spot on hate speech despite all of the awful things that slip by legally.

    Liberal demands on corporate speech are interestingly at odds with liberal distrust of corporate control and personhood. Something to consider I think. We'll make speechmasters of them yet if we're not careful. We can demand a certain standard from them, and then they'll apply it to us in turn. It may not be what we want. Another reason to unionize, so we have some say in the consequences.

    I don't know what you mean with your jurisprudence point. We're all arguing about what kinds of legal speech we want to "allow" and normalize, and it doesn't have anything to do with the first amendment. We have to argue about our values of free expression. So when somebody brings up the first amendment when it doesn't apply, perhaps they are crudely saying that they believe in free speech absolutism in the non-legal, public environment. I don't know. Those people are usually all mixed up in the head.

    If they want to argue about what we should encourage and discourage, what we should ignore and what we should punish socially and economically, etc, then fine. It just doesn't have anything to do with the Bill of Rights, other than the government can't stop us from have those discussions.

    But there's no authority to appeal to when the first amendment doesn't apply.
     
  2. abiG

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    Anyone who doesn't see how the push towards a politically correct society hurts free political speech is missing brain cells.

    And I realized that nobody actually responded to the questions posed in the OP.

    What do you think authoritarians, who want everyone to obey their will, would prefer more? A nation of free thinking individuals, guided by their own beliefs, opinions and desires? Or a nation of people who can't detect truth, and who don't know what they're 'allowed' to think, or 'allowed' to say?

    Which would rulers prefer?

    I also don't believe many posters here even watched the video as no one has seemed to respond to the many gigantic points made by Dr. Paul and his guest.
     
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    The ACLU just put this out. You might need to rethink the above.

    Members of Congress last month introduced the “Anti-Semitism Awareness Act.” The bill purports to address a real problem: According to the FBI, incidents of hate crimes motivated by anti-Jewish bias have significantly increased in recent years.


    But anti-Semitic harassment is already illegal under federal law. The new bill does not change that fact, but its overbreadth makes it likely that it will instead silence criticism of Israel that is protected by the First Amendment.

    The proposed legislation, for example, defines speech that applies a “double standard for Israel,” or denies “the Jewish people their right to self-determination,” as evidence of anti-Semitism. It also directs the Department of Education to consider such speech in its investigations, which could result in a loss of federal funding for schools. On Monday, the ACLU sent a letter to Congress opposing the bill.

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-spee...test-attack-campaign-silence-criticism-israel
     
  4. Fawlty

    Fawlty radical centrist

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    The 2016 version died in committee and I'm sure this one will too, if it gets there. You should turn off the pink, it's garbage.
     
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    I don't think you should be able to say whatever you want without consequence, but who is it that it determining what is acceptable and what is not?

    Most people in this country don't give a shit about using proper gender pro-nouns, and yet we have seen people get in trouble for this. We have Louis CK whose career has been almost destroyed, and no one gives a shit that he jerked off in front of some chicks who didn't get up and leave.

    I feel like those on the left have already forgotten the Dixie Chicks, and careers being destroyed for being anti-war.
     
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    Whether DR. Paul is wrong or right, there are too many thin-skinned pussies that thrive on being a victim walking around nowadays.
    We are seeing the fruits of the "everybody's a winner!" and "you are special!" drivel that is a trademark of this generation's upbringing.
     
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    You mean like the guy in the oval office?
     
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    No.
    More like the people that whimper and moan about Trump day in and day out.
    Don't you people ever get tired of it?
     
  10. abiG

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    Dr. Paul posted this on facebook:

    Are you stunned by what has become of American culture?

    Are you confused as to how every moral principle could be turned on its head so quickly?

    Well, it's not an accident.

    You've probably heard of "Cultural Marxism," but do you know what it means?

    Marxists, after the tremendous failure of their *economic* ideas, decided to change their angle of attack. There was no way that people could be convinced that Socialism is economically superior to Capitalism.

    Socialism produced tyranny and death in the hundreds of millions, while Capitalist nations were bursting with wealth.

    So, Marxists shifted to targeting culture instead of the economy.

    If Cultural Marxists could *destroy the culture* of Capitalist nations, *then* they would try to use the opportunity to change the governments and economies to their Socialist utopia.

    If the people can't think straight, perhaps then Socialism could be shackled onto them.

    Marxists just shifted their targets.

    Their original argument of workers being *exploited* by capitalists, didn't sell. It's obviously not the case.

    So Marxists just shifted their "exploitation" schtick to culture:
    --- women exploited by men
    --- gays exploited by heterosexuals
    --- The old exploited by the young -- and vice-versa
    --- This list goes on and on.

    Anything that is true is to be twisted like a pretzel -- to the point where people can't tell what is true anymore.

    How do you think they're doing?

    Had enough yet?

    Then don't be afraid to stand up for truth, and speak it!

    Otherwise, history can most definitely repeat itself.

    And the history of Socialism is as nasty and brutish as it gets. Nothing compares to it in terms of human suffering.

     
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    Jordan Peterson came *this close* to getting imprisoned for not referring to a student at his school as "ze". *THIS CLOSE*. Scary stuff in very scary times.
     
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    Karl Marx was very clear and concise as far as his stated objectives relative to capitalism were concerned. It is all there on the page with no apologies or equivocation.

    So please point me in the direction of scholarly works by self-described "cultural Marxists" that lay out the use of extreme identity politics as a means to revolutionary overthrow. As it is being described by Ron Paul.

    I mean, it's not like he's just making this stuff up, right? He is reading it from authorized source material and passing it on to the wider public, right? Because I would hate to think these are just the paranoid, conspiratorial fever dreams of an old crank.
     
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    Fawlty radical centrist

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    God help our eyes when abiG discovers Alinsky.
     
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    Herbert Marcuse · Theodor Adorno
    Max Horkheimer · Walter Benjamin
    Erich Fromm · Friedrich Pollock
    Leo Löwenthal · Jürgen Habermas
    Alfred Schmidt · Axel Honneth Siegfried Kracauer · Otto Kirchheimer

    LOL, I've read a bunch of his stuff.

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    Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog

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    And you still fell for that very obvious hoax? That's worse than if you just blindly believed that it could be legitimate without doing any reading yourself.
     
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    The orange snowflake is the #1 snowflake. It's all projection, with their Starbucks cups and football players kneeling outrage and throwing chicken shit at the Red Hen.

    Gaslighting (Gerrymandering fits as well)
    Obfuscation
    Projection
     
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    I haven't, it came right from wiki. I am not a huge wiki fan, but Most of y'alll go with it, so it's a good starting place.
     
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    Every time I read some right-winger whining incessantly about political correctness or free speech I imagine some methhead asking "why can't you just accept me the way I am?" as they urinate all over someone's den floor.
     

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