Does X guard work in MMA? | Page 2

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  1. Dirty Holt Brown Belt

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    only 5 feet taller asshole
     
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    Single leg to leg entanglement is th best single leg finish in mma. Just look at all these satisfied customers!











    (4:25 [chance to've gone to saddle or back here])


    (when he hits the double he swings to the far leg)


    Further more, sweep single or treetop transition to saddle is an potential unexplored avenue i'd wager.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hof9WLydqY
     
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    Yes it does. You have to mitigate the risk. Accept that you can and will be hit, especially when you're on the bottom and protect yourself as best you can.
     
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    For what it's worth Palhares' go to leg entanglement was the outside ashi which is ballsy as fuck if not a bit stupid in MMA. It's offering you the less powerful of the two heel hooks (the outside heel hook) and the position is not great for distance management.

    The saddle/411/honeyhole/inside sankaku or whatever the fuck it's called now is great for maintaining distance and it's easy to enter and exit without ending up on bottom. Also the inside heel hook from there is way way more powerful than the outside heel hook.

    I don't think it's an optimal strategy to go for the saddle in MMA unless you're an absolute specialist with it but at the same time I don't think it's objectively less safe than falling from mount or back control to an armbar.

    Also at least one of Palhares' losses from going for a leg was because he literally stopped fighting when Nate Marquardt slipped the leg out and Palhares looked to the ref and mentally took a break from the fight and Nate made him pay for it. If Palhares had stayed focused he wasn't in a terrible position when he lost the leg itself.
     
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    Butterfly guard is good for MMA and real fighting. Joe Lauzon has been killing it with the butterfly guard in the UFC for years. It's great for dealing with the kneeling passing you see in MMA. It offers a decent amount of distance management. There are good options to sweep, tech stand, take the back, or ha;fway tech stand and fall onto front headlock or seatbelt options. It also does a good job of making them use their hands to post and base on you and/or the floor instead of having their hands free to tee off on your face.
     
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    Just a general tought on the subject

    There's load of entries for X guard but there's few that are going to happen in an MMA fight

    The butterfly sweeps transitions to X guard is the most likely to happen

    Getting it from butterfly half guard would be tough because there's so much stuff to deal with when you get ground and pounded

    Theres loads of entries when the guy is standing up to break your closed guard or to pass guard standing, but with the MMA point system, the other guy would be dumb to not just pressure you and ground and pound you.

    I don't see anyone going to pull X guard in an MMA fight.

    Maybe the MMA figthers will start to get some new stuff to sweep and get off the ground, X guard is one of them. Because right now there's a lot of fighters that just manage to not get hit in the face, keep the other guy in guard or half guard, and lose the round.
     
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    Rani yaha used it in mma till he got matched with a steroid junkie, he regretted pulling guard then.
     
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    If you have outside Ashi and actually get the reaping leg over so that your shoelaces are under the thigh of the free leg, the distance management is pretty effing good once you get their hips to the mat, and that's even before you can use the cage to prevent them from being able to withdraw the free leg to rebuild base. If you got all the way to the leg knot there's basically no possiblity of them standing up without untangling first.
     
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    a full legknot is a position that that is literally impossible to get out, unless you untie it, but I cant remember seen anyone in high grappling competition using it, let alone in mma....
     
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  10. selfcritical Brown Belt

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    Dean Lister has, but high level athletes are going to burst a blood vein trying to clear the knee line in sub only, and if you had enough control to advance position to the knot you probably could have finished them from a less safe position. In gym rolls i can get it, but i also want to put shit on people really slowly, and the knot (along with the "buffet" version of the 4/11 position) allow me to sloooooooow down and be like "dude stop spazzing before you break your own knee"
     
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    pull single-leg X guard after a stuffed single-leg takedown, then sweep or transition to X-guard. I learned this from Jake Shield's brother who also specializes in jiu jitsu for mma/fighting. The thing is to get the sweep immediately, dont stay on the bottom.
     
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    had no diea he had a brother who trained
     
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