Does Fedor have better all-around game than Jon Jones?

[Pancake Sprawl]

Cro cop Is the single most overrated fighter of all time. I’ve never seen somebody who simply had a good career overrated so much. He came to the UFC and he was supposed to dominate everyone and win the championship. Not only did he not win the championship, he was run right out of the company due to bad performances.

sure, but he also didn't have the good stuff Jones had to keep being good.

let Crocop juice and become 25 again and you'd see him massacre a lot of great LHW/HWs. especially in a ring.

let's not forget he wasn't run out of the company for bad performances, he was suspended because he basically admitted to using HGH, when USADA tested him the tests WERE NEGATIVE, but because he admitted it, the 2 year suspension wasn't lifted. so he retired.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

Lets get something straight:

1- Jon Jones is a proven cheater

2- Jon Jones has a massive reach advantage over everyone he faces

3- Jon Jones is considerably younger and fresher than most of his opponents

4- Jon Jones has no history of facing guys with significant physical advantages over him, that could truly test his skills

5- Jones Jones has shown absolutely no interest in putting himself in a situation where all the main physical advantages aren't on his side.


Fedor is more skilled than Jon Jones. By far. There's actually proper ART in what Fedor does. What Fedor does results from timing, technique and many years of training. You could learn a lot more about Martial Arts from Fedor than from Jon Jones. Fedor can actually teach you how to throw someone, even if you are not a physical specimen. Jon Jones couldn't teach how to do what he does unless you're fighting someone who looks like a midget next to you.

Great post.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

Fedor got ko by a freaking MW.

Are you gonna be grounded when your mom finds out you're up past your bed time?

Go to sleep, Jr.

 

[Asahi]

Hahaha! How is this even a question?

Jones got both outstruck and outwrestled by Alexander Gustafsson. Sure, Gustafsson is a very good fighter and one of the best LHW ever. But seriously not a better allround game than Fedor. Jones is simply very skilled at bullying smaller opponents,. Thats it!

 

[Asahi]

Lets get something straight:

1- Jon Jones is a proven cheater

2- Jon Jones has a massive reach advantage over everyone he faces

3- Jon Jones is considerably younger and fresher than most of his opponents

4- Jon Jones has no history of facing guys with significant physical advantages over him, that could truly test his skills

5- Jones Jones has shown absolutely no interest in putting himself in a situation where all the main physical advantages aren't on his side.


Fedor is more skilled than Jon Jones. By far. There's actually proper ART in what Fedor does. What Fedor does results from timing, technique and many years of training. You could learn a lot more about Martial Arts from Fedor than from Jon Jones. Fedor can actually teach you how to throw someone, even if you are not a physical specimen. Jon Jones couldn't teach how to do what he does unless you're fighting someone who looks like a midget next to you.

Some proper facts there!

And lets not forget how astronomically weak Jones KO power is compared with Fedors. Frankly it´s laughable how some think Jones bullying smaller opponents in LHW is comparable with Fedor. A smaller built man himself, but still dominating HW for 10 years.

 

[franklinstower]

Who the fuck has ever done that to Jones? Name one guy that ever did it? A man that has never lost a fight and basically dominated everyone is going to get his ass kicked. Based on what?

Based on the absolute terror that Fedor was in him prime. He would connect just like Cormier did in both fights only Fedor would do way more damage with the connections getting the KO.

That or else Fedor of old would submit Jones while Jones tried to wrestle him.

The other way is that in the clinch while Jones was trying to grapple he would get thrown to the ground and pounded out.

 

[PancraseForever]

Fedor boxing and striking was weak. Hes a brawler, thats it. Jones would easily smash a prime Fedor, deal with it. Cormier is the better version of Fedor.

Like Vovchanchyn his power and durability made up for the deficient striking technicality so it didn't matter back then. If it takes 5 of your shots to put the other man down and only 1 of his to put you down, exchanging punches becomes stupid.

Now his chin is cracked so it's become whoever's punch lands first.

Cormier is nothing like Fedor at all. I think he's only compared to Fedor because he's fat and has a shaved head, and it was like a meme or something. They're almost the opposite, Cormier's strongest suit is wrestling which is Fedor's weakest, and Fedor's striking appears dramatically more athletic and mobile. I also doubt Cormier has anywhere near the same submission skills. Fedor's guard is probably much worse, not for submissions but his opponents are able to easily transition to ANY position on him at will, even in his prime.

I think Fedor would have a much bigger chance than Cormier standing with an uncracked chin.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Fedor boxing and striking was weak. Hes a brawler, thats it. Jones would easily smash a prime Fedor, deal with it. Cormier is the better version of Fedor.

It's a massive oversimplification to call Fedor a "brawler." He looks wild when he starts letting his hands go... but then you watch the replay and see five and six and seven punch combos land flush in a row and it becomes a bit more complex.

He was/is accurate as hell, and he lands really hard shots. The whole purpose of training punching technique is to become accurate with hard shots. So the fact that he looks like the Tasmanian Devil on speed while he's doing it is more or less irrelevant.

Where all this does fall apart a bit is in the fact that his reckless abandon does, indeed, put him in bad positions and situations. When he was young, and strong, and twice as fast and athletic as all of his opponents, this mattered a lot less, because he could always (and with general ease) scramble his way out of any compromising position he put himself in. Get a little bit older, lose a half of a step, and this becomes a disaster waiting to happen.

All said, Prime Jones v Prime Fedor is THE fantasy match-up to beat all other fantasy match-ups. I give the edge to Fedor on pure athleticism... but if JJ can maintain distance and slow the pace, which is a distinct possibility, he takes it and makes Fedor look bad in the process.

 

[capo245]

Jones is a bum got nearly his arm snaped by a trt less vitor, lost to gustaffson running away, even sonnen snapped his toe off, technicly he never won any fight should have been dqed for eyepokes, peds or just plain cheating. Lets face it with soccer kicks and stomps and a ring where there is nowhere to run jones would have gotten stomped to the hospital by shogun rua. Clearly who did jones fight who wasnt 40+ chinless no trt and washed up.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

Based on the absolute terror that Fedor was in him prime. He would connect just like Cormier did in both fights only Fedor would do way more damage with the connections getting the KO.

That or else Fedor of old would submit Jones while Jones tried to wrestle him.

The other way is that in the clinch while Jones was trying to grapple he would get thrown to the ground and pounded out.

Jones has fought the better fighters over his career.. And showed really no weakness. Especially against anyone smaller with an inferior reach..

 

[FrodoFraggins]

No he doesn't. Jones has the reach, elbows and leg kicks in addition to being better at TDD. Jones has better technique as well and is more calculated. Fedor just swings for the fences most of the time

 

[GSP_37]

I don't think so. Jones has more diverse HL reel finishes and HL in general.

 

[Towerworld]

We're talking about prime Fedor here.

He had better boxing with KO punching power, Jones never had.
Both are great wrestlers, but who's better in this aspect?
Who has more dangerous BJJ skills?
Fedor has the speed advantage imo.

Fedor had faster hands and more power but he’s not a better boxer just puncher/brawler.
Jones batters fedor with kicks and knees for 3 rounds gets tagged by some overhands. Jones starts Cuttinghim to pieces in the clinch, then drags him to the floor where he gets the finish by brutal GnP.

Jones is a cheater and i’m not at all a fan of his but he’s worlds away from Fedor as a fighter. Jones beat the best HW ever DC, who is better than so called “prime” fedor in every way.

 

[Dbreiden83080]

He had a lot of problems after Pride, breaking his leg on Wanderlei's head was one of them.

Way to go telling an absolute lie to fuel your narrative.

What lie am I telling? He came to the UFC with a lot of hype. I was watching then just like you were I assume. Gonzaga ended the hype early on.. That's it.

 

[Bones245n4847]

Jones would sit on Fedor and pound him into a ref stoppage or doctor stoppage like what Bifgoot did don't kid yourself.

 

[BlastoiseDad]

Nope. Jones is better, and physically more gifted as well.

Stupid decisions or not.

 

[quadrunner]

Jones would have VERY little to offer prime fedor.

The only people who say different are his fans, who only like his record and don't actually like him ( similar to Floyd fans in boxing ) who want everyone else to believe that he is the GOAT like they do. Also they think that somehow the steroids didn't effect his performance throughout his entire career, which is ridiculous because why would athletes risk taking them if they don't make you MUCH better.

 

[RonniePickering]

Fedor was pretty big and soild in Pride (that neck)

Then became more pudgy when he came to the US (smaller neck)

 

[Ryanr1987]

Jones would have VERY little to offer prime fedor.

The only people who say different are his fans, who only like his record and don't actually like him ( similar to Floyd fans in boxing ) who want everyone else to believe that he is the GOAT like they do. Also they think that somehow the steroids didn't effect his performance throughout his entire career, which is ridiculous because why would athletes risk taking them if they don't make you MUCH better.

When I see post like this above I can see why people think Fedor fans are absolute retards.

 

[See O]

Fedor boxing and striking was weak. Hes a brawler, thats it. Jones would easily smash a prime Fedor, deal with it. Cormier is the better version of Fedor.

Uneducated