Get fucked, buddy.
1) never made the point that BJJ does not have limitations, or that BJJ is all you need.
2) people do train those things. Not to the extent they train other things, but you see shit like standing back-mount all the time. Reference Maia/Masvidal for a recent example.
3) takedowns have always been, and always will be, a part of BJJ.
4) this is MMA. Not boxing. Not BJJ. Sometimes things are effective, sometimes they are not. Nobody was saying any of this crap when Maia was back-packing everyone to bolivian.
For all these reasons that you failed to read in my posts, and the fact that you made up a bizarro arguement about TMAs or something, I respectfully reiterate that you are failure as a fan of MMA and should remove yourself in shame.
You seem do be doing a fine job fucking yourself and your sh*tty argument so don't let me interrupt you scissoring yourself, weakling puss.
1) The bizzaro argument is based on the thread title. It's the actual topic. Everyone knows that BJJ + other disciplines that work ... will still work. As will anything, including bicycling. "Does BJJ work in real fighting?" This implies Bjj by itself. Sorry you have to project your autism onto other people, hope it gets better someday.
2) Most BJJ classes do not train those things. MMA guys do, in MMA class.
3) Takedowns are the weakest taught part of BJJ and the grappling forum acknowledges this. If you want to learn the specfic art of takedowns, you need to learn from a takedown specialist (cross-training in either wrestling or judo, maybe sambo if its available) because they are not drilled well or regularly in Bjj classes nowdays, let alone by someone who has specialist abilities in that field. They get less attention than they did 15 years ago (which wasn't all that great back then), and yes I was there as well. Were you? No you weren't. You're pulling this out your ass.
4) Oh is it MMA? That's funny-- the title of the thread says BJJ in the context of real fighting. Real fighting implies self defense in a non-sport. You can make a different thread for MMA or you can even talk about it here if you want but it's not the actual topic. I guess you have only yourself to blame for that one. Let's talk about MMA for a second anyway-- Bjj has been doing horrible as of late. Bjj centric guys are all but nil these days. Only like 2 and a half of them even remain in the UFC, and none of them are close to being champion. When Maia (who is better at applying Bjj in MMA than everyone else and is a rockstar at it) uses his Bjj in MMA all he can do these days is stall. Bjj has hit a wall and is only getting less effective. The mystique is gone, everyone has learned its not hard to defend Bjj and that its much harder to defend against things like wrestling and boxing.
BJJ by itself used to be trained in context of self defense/MMA. Not anymore. You know who first brought these complaints about 6+ years ago? Not me,
the Gracies themselves. Have fun arguing against that one! No doubt you'll try, but anyone reading this far can see there's really no point to it.
