Do you want a clean sport or an entertaining sport?? Which is more important to you?

Almost everybody in here praises Pride as if it was mma heaven coming on earth and Wanderlei was coked out of his mind before every fight (if youve never been on coke you don't know but I have and its just extremely obvious!) So you cant claim about having a clean sport but saying Pride was the best thing ever, thats just being a damn hypocrite
 
I want a clean sport but I think USADA overdoes it though. I think more work needs to be done to differentiate the real steroids and PEDs vs eeverything else. I mean you can pop for coffee now. Smh! I also wish they didn't publicize who popped until all samples are tested and sanctions have been handed out.
 
I saw one proposal on here, and the more I think about it, the more I like it.

3x5 and 5x5 is a ridiculous amount of time for guys to fight. I say either change it to 3 minute rounds, or allow more peds. Because even if you completely clean the sport, all you're gonna get are guys pacing themselves for 5 minutes like Amanda Nunes, instead of actually trying to kill their opponent, which makes for a worse product.
I always felt that fighters should get 2 minutes in between rounds. 1 minute between 5 minute rounds is not enough time. I think pride had 2 minutes after the 10 minute round.
 
Almost everybody in here praises Pride as if it was mma heaven coming on earth and Wanderlei was coked out of his mind before every fight (if youve never been on coke you don't know but I have and its just extremely obvious!) So you cant claim about having a clean sport but saying Pride was the best thing ever, thats just being a damn hypocrite

Coke or roids. Lots and lots of roids.
 
Almost everybody in here praises Pride as if it was mma heaven coming on earth and Wanderlei was coked out of his mind before every fight (if youve never been on coke you don't know but I have and its just extremely obvious!) So you cant claim about having a clean sport but saying Pride was the best thing ever, thats just being a damn hypocrite
They tested for cocaine. Plus Japan has pretty harsh penalties and laws against street drugs like cocaine. But steroids he was definitely on.
 
easy to choose, but today in ufc all of them use drugs as ever in mma but being tested..... i choose pride era
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I always felt that fighters should get 2 minutes in between rounds. 1 minute between 5 minute rounds is not enough time. I think pride had 2 minutes after the 10 minute round.

Meh. That's too many commercials. If were talking about fan friendly system, 1 minute breaks are perfect in between rds as its good for constant action. Plus adding an extra minute will only give you so much wind before you tired back out. Once you're gassed, you're gassed.

With 3 minute rounds, you get far less guys conserving their energy and more guys fighting with urgency and are willing to increase their output.
 
I would prefer clean, but it's never going to happen. It isn't clean now and it never has been, just some people know how not to get caught.
 
Meh. That's too many commercials. If were talking about fan friendly system, 1 minute breaks are perfect in between rds as its good for constant action. Plus adding an extra minute will only give you so much wind before you tired back out. Once you're gassed, you're gassed.

With 3 minute rounds, you get far less guys conserving their energy and more guys fighting with urgency and are willing to increase their output.
That's not how my body works. That extra minute gives me way more energy. What about 90 seconds??
 
To me its not even clean vs entertainment its rankings and structure vs entertainment.

I want to see Conor fight Khabib, not Nate the non champ material.

I wanted Bisping vs Moose or well...anyone except GSP.

GSP should fight Woodley.

Mighty Mouse shoukd fight TJ.

Should be no CM punk etc.

Now IDC if every one of those people are fucking juiced to the gills but for fuck saaakkkeee i just want to see the best fight the best and not have fights decided on which tweet gets the most attention or this money fight BS.

Letem juice but make them fight contenders, defend belts, and no more line skipping!
 
Go have sex with your wife or husband, now go take a Viagra and have sex with your wife or husband. Tell me which time was better. For both parties.

I understand where you're coming from; the old school roid brawls were fun. I just don't think the effort to get rid of gear is gonna stop.
 
Clean please. They are not mutually exclusive. Do you think we did not have exciting sport 50 years ago?
 
Go have sex with your wife or husband, now go take a Viagra and have sex with your wife or husband. Tell me which time was better. For both parties.
It's interesting that you would compare MMA fighting to having sex.

Makes you wonder. Sometimes, we don't even know ourselves.
 
Entertainment is subjective.

As a long time student of marital arts I have zero desires to see 2 idiots stand and bang with sloppy technique, while having 3-4 beers to myself

That's not martial arts. That doesn't represent the spirit of sports. God knows why you guys in the west need to drink to be entertained. Its like appreciating art while you're drunk. Its stupid. You only appreciate the sport better while you're clear in mind, especially with relation to martial arts.

I enjoy seeing masters of this world compete, and in accordance with the 'spirit of the warrior', there should be no cheating. I have nothing against steroids itself, but if the competition has clearly defined rules to make the contest as fair as possible, there should be no folks CHEATING to gain an unfair advantage: i.e. consciously working towards tricking the organizers and those who govern the sport.
 
Its never gonna be clean, because there will always be people who will cheat the system,. thats how people are sadly. So choosing clean is impossible because its only a fantasy. So I will go with entertaining because thats either a fact or not!.

When all this stuff first happened with USADA and fighters were getting caught, I was annoyed and thinking they are shit and a bunch of fake frauds. But now I am at the point where I'm so bored and tired of it all, I feel like I don't even care that much.
 
It's interesting that you would compare MMA fighting to having sex.

Makes you wonder. Sometimes, we don't even know ourselves.
I'm talking about drugs as a performance enhancer. Is Viagra not a performance enhancer? Is certainly is. I could use the same for someone with temporary insomnia. Do they not sleep better after taking an ambien?
 
Entertainment is subjective.

As a long time student of marital arts I have zero desires to see 2 idiots stand and bang with sloppy technique, while having 3-4 beers to myself

That's not martial arts. That doesn't represent the spirit of sports. God knows why you guys in the west need to drink to be entertained. Its like appreciating art while you're drunk. Its stupid. You only appreciate the sport better while you're clear in mind, especially with relation to martial arts.

I enjoy seeing masters of this world compete, and in accordance with the 'spirit of the warrior', there should be no cheating. I have nothing against steroids itself, but if the competition has clearly defined rules to make the contest as fair as possible, there should be no folks CHEATING to gain an unfair advantage: i.e. consciously working towards tricking the organizers and those who govern the sport.

I agree with you. I dont want to see cheating. Pride allowed steroid use and ufc at one point allowed TRT. Therefore it wasn't against the rules and not cheating. I dont want to see a clean fighter vs a steroid user. That's messed up. Ped user vs ped user it cancels each other out. In a perfect world I would want no steroids but mma is tough, I used to train 5 days a week and it was rough. No wonder these guys use peds. The pros train like 8 hours a day sometimes. That's nuts!!!! No wonder Cain is always hurt. He trains like a maniac naturally and his body is breaking down. If he used peds hed have more fights and a longer career. No doubt. It is what it is. A drug that makes you better at something is tough NOT to use. All the other drugs out there, street drugs dont do shit for you, but peds, man they make you more than human.
 
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