Do You Think Knees To a Grounded Opponent

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Will benefit wrestlers more or a striker that can defend the takedown?
 
It will certainly benefit wrestlers more than strikers.

It will also massively benefit guys like Cain who maul their opponents on the cage (people who use these tactics are also often wrestlers).

The best way to solve the problem of wrestling: learn to wrestle.
 
I think they'll only be useful when you're in north south or when you stuff a shot, and probably mostly useful for when you stuff a shot.

So that makes it seem like it's bad for wrestlers, because they're usually the ones who take shots so they're more likely to get punished for it.

But on the other hand, you know who's good at stuffing shots? Wrestlers.

At the end of the day, it's a fighting technique. It'll benefit the fighters who are better at using it. Some of those will be better wrestlers, some won't be. But there's not really any such thing as a "wrestler." If you go into an MMA fight as a "wrestler" you're fucked. You need to be a mixed martial artist. So having this tool will benefit the mixed martial artist who knows how to use it, regardless of his background.
 
Certainly doesn't hurt wrestlers if you go by Coleman style grappling.

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Greatest benefit would be to wrestlers who take their opponent down and now have a new weapon for their ground attack.

If a striker is able to catch a wrestler with a knee, when the wrestler is trying to take him down, it is generally considered a legal blow. It just doesn't happen very often.
 
It benefits both ways. Fights will be more exciting. Win-Win really.
 
Wrestlers no doubt. You will hear people say strikers can use it against wrestlers for takedowns but that's true already. That argument never made any sense. The opponent his on his back will be in the worst position for knees, which will usually be the striker.
 
it'll be great for whoever's the better fighter. know how many strikers have sprawled but then were left with no good options from there?
 
It will benefit me the most because there will be less lay'n'pray and more ground finishes
 
Wrestlers by a landslide.

Big John already said its legal to throw a knee at a fighter in mid shoot regardless if their knee brushes the mat on the way in or not, so the only advantage to the fighter who wants to keep it standing is if the wrestler misses a shoot horribly badly and then just stays there waiting for the knee.
 
Wrestlers no doubt. You will hear people say strikers can use it against wrestlers for takedowns but that's true already. That argument never made any sense. The opponent his on his back will be in the worst position for knees, which will usually be the striker.

What about guys that are good at sprawling? Right now there isn't much they can do from that position because the wrestlers head is underneath his crotch. The only option is weak punches to the body or stand back up.
 
the turtle position becomes weaker. even if its not north south, its not hard to go from like a back turtle to a side or north south attack on a turtle. both positions where u could land devastating knees.

I'd say it benefits wrestlers more, but really it just becomes a position with a new dynamic. im sure you'll see guys shoot for a double, get sprawled on, and have to pay for it.

Also, knees from regular side control can be pretty viable too.
 
What about guys that are good at sprawling? Right now there isn't much they can do from that position because the wrestlers head is underneath his crotch. The only option is weak punches to the body or stand back up.

Would be enormously difficult to sprawl effectively and land any worthwhile knee strikes, imo. The position of defending a takedown isn't very good for throwing knee strikes.
 
Will benefit wrestlers more or a striker that can defend the takedown?

Let's see....

The most prominent illegal shots that I remember offhand...

Anderson Silva vs Okami (man on top got kicked, man on bottom in that WEAK bottom position, was disqualified)

Frank Shamrock vs Renzo Gracie (man on top in that DOMINANT position got kneed in the head; man on bottom in that weak position was disqualified)

Anthony Johnson vs Josh Koscheck (which actually missed but Kos pulled off a performance which rivalled Deniro and Hackman) (man who F'd up a TD attempt took a knee, just like a QB, and the subsequent knee CLEARLY missed his head, but he capitalized on it anyway and earned a point deduction for NO FUCKING REASON)

Looks like the wrestler or the top position guy was the one who was actually vulnerable.

Guide For Wrestlers:
1. Get a TD and win the round 10-9.
2. If TD fails, take a knee, or put a single finger down; the guy can't knee/kick you and if he does, you win the round. If he throws a knee and misses, use those drama club skills from high school and pretend you're hurt. At least clutch the correct side of your head when you do this (unlike Kos).
3. If a guy sprawls on a TD attempt, play a little game where you put the knee/finger down right when he's about to throw the knee. Keep doing it, it'll frustrate him and maybe you can figure out another way to win the round, 10-9. Fans love this; you're an 'intelligent' fighter.
4. Any time you're worried about an upkick, be sure to put a knee or finger down. They can't kick you when you're down!!!!
5. Try to pin your opponent against the cage wall for at least a minute of each round. The "educated" fans will love this and you might win the round 10-9!
 
Will benefit wrestlers more or a striker that can defend the takedown?

Those of us that watched a lot of Pride fights when they were happening, will remember that there were times when a guy would get top position (either north-south *or* side control) and he'd land fight-ending knees to the head from the top, *OR* before he could land solid knees to the head from top position, he'd get hit with some solid knees by the guy flat on his back. It made for some interesting situations, but not many, because the strike was outlawed in most major mma organizations before it could be really researched/perfected, which is unfortunate.

Why you can grab a guy's head/neck and pull him into a standing knee to the jaw/face, but not knee him in the head if he's got you pinned in side control (because he's also a "downed opponent") I have no idea, and I'm guessing the athletic commissions have no good answer either.
 
Wait... They've announced the legalization of knees to a downed opponent?
 
It would benefit muay thai fighters more than anyone else and obviously wrestlers.
 
It benefits both ways. Fights will be more exciting. Win-Win really.

This. It gives grapplers more weapons. It also gives weapons to defend the takedown. What's not to love?

It will never happen in the UFC though.
 
With PRIDE rules, Jones would have likely killed Shogun. :(

So wrestlers, in general, I guess. To stomp someones head you need to lay them down correctly first.
 
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