Do you guys think GSP has what it takes to become a dominant 185 champion? | Page 3

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  1. Hoop Brown Belt

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    Always assumed it would be a catch weight fight with Bisping.

    Imagine him against the likes of Rockhold or Romero? Don't think it'd be a good move.
     
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    I hope GSP continuously superman punches the shit out of Bisping's other eye...

    Then does that laugh -> "He..he..he..."

    Then hands off the belt over to Yoel so we can get back to business.
     
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    buzz words....don't bring armstrong and bonds in this. where is the advantage for silva?
     
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    he can dominate bisping, but he will have a very hard time vs the rest of the top 185ers
     
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  5. Shaddows Gold Belt

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    Sorry, but no.
    He WAS a special fighter who RETIRED 4 years ago!

    He didn't even fight at MW and always claimed he was too small to do so.

    Even Cruz (who did not retire but was the champ when he got hurt) had a one fight to gauge how he was when he came back, before fighting for the belt.

    So I disagree he should get a title shot. Specially at MW.
     
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    Gsp doesn't beat Romero, Jacare, Weidman, Mousasi, Anderson or Rockhold imo.
     
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    Maybe not at MW but it would be more than fair if he gets the winner of Woodley/Wonderboy

    Cruz doesn't have his legacy

    GSP has been a top welterweight from 2004 to 2013 and he was a champ for 6 years during that time.
     
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    No, and I love GSP. but I can't see him beating guys like Jacare or Rockhold..
     
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    Georges St. Pierre, champion and a dominant one at that, at 185lbs!?

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    I think most sane people here believe his best chances at MW is against Micheal Bisping and frankly I agree with them. I honestly can't see him beating the other top 5 MWs in the division.
     
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    No. He'd be way too small
     
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    You are correct, Cruz had a better legacy.
    He was 19-1 when he fought Mizugaki while GSP lost twice (not counting some shady decision he got like in his last fight).
    Cruz was also a champ for 6 years (2010 - 2016).

    Look, nitpicking and debating merit aside, let me explain this:
    I like GSP. But no fighter should be able to take a 4 years break and come back straight to a title shot.

    No one, period!
    And I do not see what the problem is either!
    If GSP is still that great, he will surely be able to beat whoever is put in front of him and then get his title shot.

    I am vocal against these undeserving title shots against anyone!
    Be it someone I like (i.e. GSP, Silva, etc) or someone I dislike (i.e Conor, Lesnar, etc).

    Name Value should not be the determining factor to get a title shot when others have busted their asses to climb the mountain.

    And I find it highly hypocritical of anyone who thinks this rule should apply to some not not others (Not claiming you are, but I know plenty who are/were vocal against Conor for instance, but then wants GSP to take a title shot straight back from 4 years away).
     
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    He's only interested in this fight because it's Bisping, and he thinks it's winnable.

    He wouldn't be the least bit interested in this fight if Weidman, Rockhold, Romero, or Jacare were champ; or if Anderson were still good.

    If he beats Bisping, you can bet that he won't defend the belt against Romero or Jacare.
     
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    I see your point, but just for the fun of debating

    If you call out GSP - Hendricks a shady decision

    What about Cruz-Faber 2, that was some toss up scorecards too and it's pretty much the biggest Cruz win.

    And also, you can't compare the bantamweight division with the high profile welterweight division. Maybe there was some hyped up welterweights, but GSP rarely had a some no name guys against him.
     
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  15. MCS let's dance

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    No, lacks punching power and his takedowns won't be as effective against bigger guys. And not just bigger, but better wrestlers as well, Romero & Weidman. GSP won't take fights with Romero or Weidman, he'll likely go back down after beating Bisping as a 2-div champ beating the weakest of the top 5. *Vomits*
     
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    Depends on what he's been doing since his hiatus. No one shoots takedowns like GSP but unless he's worked on his striking power and overall striking defense, most of his opponents are going to have 15-25 min to pull off a finish.

    I think he beats Bisping though.
     
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    OK, for the fun of debate only! (my point was not about that) :)
    And mind you, as I stated, I am a fan of GSP, and I think he was the most complete/well-rounded fighter to ever compete in the octagon.
    So bear with me, I am just playing devil's advocate for the sake/fun of arguing :)

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    Sorry, but you can't claim his wins were better just because WW had the UFC Hype machine behind them while Cruz was ruling WEC.
    It is the same as trying to claim UFC HW is better than WW just because the top are full of name fighters (without delving into how shallow the division is that allows the same names to remain at the top for decades).

    And I disagree Faber was his only big win.
    His wins over Mighty Mouse (now the best P4P fighter in the world) or TJ (who was lauded "Cruz 2.0") were also huge wins.

    Now lastly, I don't call out GSP-Hendricks a shady decision.
    But it was a decision he clearly won because of his name-value rather than what happened in the octagon.
     
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    B-but GSP is a massive WW who only dominated because of his size.
     
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    Gsp next to former hw champ


    Gsp also beat up chael in the gym

    And gave rashad some of his best sparring sessions
     
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