do you deserve more money if you dont draw?

[Doublieu]

Yes they promote him like that but not enough and with not enough effort.

As far as relatability i dont see how that is a factor. There are more small men than large. Women are draws in mma. Male dominant viewers. Doesnt make sense as an argument.

It's not about the promotion. Promoting someone is a not a one way street. UFC promoted McG caused he promotes himself and the UFC well. MM would just waste more money than he is already worth. It almost seems that women strawweight like PVZ draws more than he does.

 

[Luger]

They're promoting him as the best fighter in the world, what else could they be doing to promote him?

Juice him to the gills and put a penis sword tattoo on his chest

 

[Doublieu]

I believe your analogy isn't just extreme but misleading. The athletes in the Paraolympics are obviously working under an unmitigated handicap and will never equal the regular Olympians in terms of performance. The case with flyweights is more nuanced. Their size is a drawback for some of the tasks fighters perform: they notch very few knockouts. On the other hand, their speed and endurance are unmatched. No 200 lbs. fighter will ever move like Mighty Mouse or keep the pace he sets. So in some respects their performance is clearly superior to the norm for their profession.

Likewise, MM will never have the power of a 200lbs fighter. Speed is only one aspect of fighting.

 

[skobydog]

Flyweight division is like watching midget wrestling or midget porn. Fun at first but gets old quick.

Midget tossing is kind of cool though.

 

[fatlipjesus]

Lets look at it like this;say you are a salesman, and you are expected to sell a certain amount, and you are always short, costing the business money.. You're going to get demoted... ... ... I don't necessarily agree with it, but that is how business works.

But in this scenario it is the UFC who is the salesman and DJ is the product. The UFC is a fight promoter, their whole purpose is to promote fights and sell fights. DJ is a fighter, his purpose is to win fights.

If a fighter is doing his own promotion and doing the fighting..... wtf does he need the UFC for? And that's why we have Conor McGregor doing whatever he wants.... cause he's realized that. He doesn't need the UFC anymore.

 

[skobydog]

Some midget fighting is cool I guess.

 

[sabretitan]

But in this scenario it is the UFC who is the salesman and DJ is the product. The UFC is a fight promoter, their whole purpose is to promote fights and sell fights. DJ is a fighter, his purpose is to win fights.

If a fighter is doing his own promotion and doing the fighting..... wtf does he need the UFC for? And that's why we have Conor McGregor doing whatever he wants.... cause he's realized that. He doesn't need the UFC anymore.

The UFC is the monopoly, remember that! That's why a fighter needs the UFC lol. Good argument tho. Just not the way it works unfortunately.

 

[Doublieu]

But in this scenario it is the UFC who is the salesman and DJ is the product. The UFC is a fight promoter, their whole purpose is to promote fights and sell fights. DJ is a fighter, his purpose is to win fights.

If a fighter is doing his own promotion and doing the fighting..... wtf does he need the UFC for? And that's why we have Conor McGregor doing whatever he wants.... cause he's realized that. He doesn't need the UFC anymore.

Connor and MM are at extreme ends of the promotion.some products can't be promoted like a pet rock

 

[Guile]

its simply promoting. UFC does not promote the FLW division at all. I saw him defend his title live in my hometown and there was little to no promotion for the card.

 

[greenhawk]

People saying that UFC doesn't promote Mighty Mouse. How will you promote this guy? His division is full of cans so they can't even hype his opponent. He's a 5'3 manlet so there goes the bad ass factor. He has zero mic skills and plays video games all day. Promotion works when both sides are involved. UFC can do their bit but effort needs to come from Mighty Mouse too. He can't even get 10% of his twitch followers to watch his fight. Fighters with zero personality won't get paid, simple as that.

 

[thobra]

I believe your analogy isn't just extreme but misleading. The athletes in the Paraolympics are obviously working under an unmitigated handicap and will never equal the regular Olympians in terms of performance. The case with flyweights is more nuanced. Their size is a drawback for some of the tasks fighters perform: they notch very few knockouts. On the other hand, their speed and endurance are unmatched. No 200 lbs. fighter will ever move like Mighty Mouse or keep the pace he sets. So in some respects their performance is clearly superior to the norm for their profession.

No doubt they have good skills And Are fast, even if the belief that a flw has more speed than a lw is wrong.

Still, my analogy is a pretty good one, to make a point. Just like with the atparalympics, the majority believe that a well trained, top 100 normal sized male can beat MM 10/10 times. I think this is the reason people don't care. Sad but true.

 

[Doublieu]

People saying that UFC doesn't promote Mighty Mouse. How will you promote this guy? His division is full of cans so they can't even hype his opponent. He's a 5'3 manlet so there goes the bad ass factor. He has zero mic skills and plays video games all day. Promotion works when both sides are involved. UFC can do their bit but effort needs to come from Mighty Mouse too. He can't even get 10% of his twitch followers to watch his fight. Fighters with zero personality won't get paid, simple as that.

THIS!

 

[Soul On Ice]

Yes they promote him like that but not enough and with not enough effort.

As far as relatability i dont see how that is a factor. There are more small men than large. Women are draws in mma. Male dominant viewers. Doesnt make sense as an argument.

I didn't say anything about "relatability"

Why should they make the "extra effort" when HE doesn't, basically "you don't give a fuck, why should I?", they have other fighters that will promote themselves and their fights as much as the UFC will which makes the UFC's job easier so of course those are the guys they're gonna go the extra mile for.


There is no magic promotion button they can press to make him less boring to watch or listen to.

Mouse is only doing a fraction of the work that the top draws in the sport do to earn what they earn and so he should only be paid a fraction of what they get paid.

 

[SHAZAM]

The Mouse is getting plenty of promotion. He just refuses to put any effort in himself and he'll be the first to admit it. He doesn't deserve more $. He's making plenty considering how he refuses to stand out.

 

[machidafan99]

A lot of it is happenstance and the way your chosen sport works. If a qualifier you never heard of wins Wimbledon he still gets that Wimbledon purse.

In UFC it's a popularity contest. Having said that, MM makes 350k before bonus which I'm sure is more than lil evil...So not bad at all.

 

[machidafan99]

In filipines he is somewhat normal sized

First of all, I do respect flws, And want them to earn money And do well. And I relate to women, but I still like male sports more.

However, that is not the point. MM is so small, that people rarely know or see anyone as small as him. 5.3, 125 lbs for a grown up man is very unnatural And very uncommon. It is like comparing the Paralympics to the olympics. The athletes do great things, And we want them to succeed too, but we still don't care too much. (I know The example is a bit extreme, but it was to prove my point).

I believe this is the reason people don't relate to MM.

 

[machidafan99]

. Just fold it and force them to move up to 135 or cut them.

I mean what's going to happen to the UFC? Bellator doesn't even have a flyweight cause it doesn't generate interest or money.

Harsh truth is harsh. I have thought this too.

 

[MCS]

I believe all champs deserve a legit base pay. What's the point in chasing that gold if you get peanuts when you get there. So it affects prospects. But beyond that base pay you should get extra if you draw, as you deserve back what you bring.

 

[lifelessheap]

I think people greatly underestimate the costs of running a business. Are you factoring in insurance, lawyers, doctors, marketing team, web design team etc etc. People see the revenue and think that it's mostly profit. I'd branch out to say a lot of undercard fighters don't even draw enough to cover the cost of the referee. Also the general rule of thumb in business is that if your employees aren't generating 10x what you pay them, you're not gonna do well. Also, if he doesn't like the pay, refuse to fight. Nobody forces you to sign your name for the amount they offer. Test the market and if it doesn't give you the numbers you like either start your own promotion or shut the fuck up. Ok. OK?

And their business partners take HALF of the PPV revenue. So we also add in travel costs, rent for arenas and the support staff that does shit like build the cage and set up the audio and the camera guys. And the all the guys in the truck, and the guys that maintain the fleet of vehicles that travel thousands of mile all the time hauling equipment.

And all the other things we forget.

 

[MightyLeprechaun]

And their business partners take HALF of the PPV revenue. So we also add in travel costs, rent for arenas and the support staff that does shit like build the cage and set up the audio and the camera guys. And the all the guys in the truck, and the guys that maintain the fleet of vehicles that travel thousands of mile all the time hauling equipment.

And all the other things we forget.

+1 Its a relief to find someone with some sense on these forums!