Diet Soda

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by Jimmy Jazz, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. Jimmy Jazz Brown Belt

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    I've been addicted to sugar most of my life. I quit drinking monsters/sugar drinks and took off 70 pounds. Now I'm hearing diet soda is bad for you. Should I just start drinking water and cut back on the diet soda?
     
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  2. Bekim Green Belt

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    Why don't you just drink water........
     
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    What helps me a lot is mixing sparkling water with fruit juice. How much juice to add is up to you, but I mix no more than half and half.
     
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    Lemon or lime wedge in water. Tada. diet sodas/aspartame gives me the weirdest headaches
     
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    I don't get why people have to have flavouring in every drink, it's weird. I drink a coffee in the morning and then it's water all the way.
     
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    I usually just save the diet soda for when i eat out somewhere. Like many other things, aspartame is not the healthiest but in moderation is ok. esp to calm that fizzy carbonated drink craving i get once in awhile
     
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  7. Bekim Green Belt

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    Maybe we are from a different generation.
     
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    Diet soda is arguably worse. It induces insulin resistance faster than overloading on sugar. They're both sort of terrible except that small amounts of sugar fine and no amount of diet soda is fine.
     
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    You got evidence for that? That's a pretty strong claim, especially given that there are several different sweeteners out there and how hard it is to prove a causal link in diet studies.

    This study suggests the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2900484/
     
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  10. therealdope Steel Belt

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    I appreciate your google skills but if you're looking for rigorously peer reviewed science, you might want to look past the "journal of Appetite".

    Here is an actual study with a mechanism published in Nature, with full text. https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/pdf/nature13793.pdf

    If you understand how insulin resistance develops with over consumption of sugar and carbohydrates, then it should not surprise you that NAS can also lead to insulin resistance.
     
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    Shame you had to be all sarcastic and obnoxious about it, I was just asking for evidence.

    Don't just throw out studies because they not in Nature, it's not the only journal in which good science happens. A mouse study has weaknesses too.

    I'm not surprised if artificial sweeteners have such effects, as the bacterial link has been made before. Its. It need to me. My question was that the blanket statement that ASs are worse than sugar was quite bold given studies show that Stevia, for one, isn't. Sachharine is the worst, and that was the focus of the Nature study.

    It's also now clear that these things are highly personalized due to different gut biomes.

    Anyway, if you want to discuss things pleasantly and constructively them I'm interested, if you assume.every post is a fight then I'm not.
     
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    Ok, think about this. Insulin resistance is most often caused by overloading of blood sugar. The normal response of the body is to release insulin when blood sugar is elevated. When overloaded, you can't store enough glycogen to drop blood glucose, the next step is to convert it to fat in the liver -- this is why NAFLD is the most widespread disease in the world (currently). At the same time, cells have been topped out in storing sugar and say "no more". They become resistant to insulin mediates glucose transport into cells. The cells make themselves resistant to the effects of insulin.

    NAS don't cause blood sugar to go up but because they are sweet your brain has the same response, it causes insulin to be released. Here's the problem: the cells don't receive any glucose so the brain directs the pancreas to secret even more insulin. You can see the problem here --- at some point pancreas says "no more" and the cells see insulin but any influx of glucose.

    Skipping to the unwanted effect --- cells now develop a resistance to insulin and the pancreas produces less insulin. That is a good description of type II diabetes.

    The FDA has said that NAS are safe so it's a very tricky situation. I wouldn't advise anyone to consume significant quantities of NAS.
     
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    Me too. I would describe most of my life as being a carboholic. That wasn't a problem while I was a full-time athlete training and racing, but as I transitioned to a working life I went up to 185lbs. I've cut down carbs drastically and try to avoid sweets as much as possible. I'm currently 163lbs and haven't felt this good since I quit racing 20 yrs ago.

    I'm also active 6 days a week when not traveling for work, so it's not diet alone -- but sugar is the number one problem. It's not even close.
     
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    Double.
     
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    Fruit juice is also full of sugar
     
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    They aren't as bad as drinks with sugar like soda, smoothies and fruit juices.
    You can try drinking water, sparkling water, coffee without sugar or milk, tea without sugar.
    It tastes bad for the first few times, but you get used to it and starting loving it.
     
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    I mostly drink water but sometimes I need something carbonated, especially if I eat something like fried chicken or hamburgers.

    True, but it's diluted in the sparkling water, and it doesn't have the extra caffeine, sweeteners and chemicals of regular and diet soda. I should have clarified that I mostly use a small amount of fresh lime juice or orange juice. I think that's way healthier than drinking soda or energy drinks. I also add sparkling water to homemade fruit smoothies (water and fruit only). The smoothies naturally have sugar but at least you're getting the fiber and vitamins from the fruit.
     
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    Just drink water.........it's not difficult...........you sound like a child that has always gotten their own way......'but mummy I don't like water..........<45>
     
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    how is that? I haven't been arguing with anyone saying diet soda is bad. I recognize it is and have switched to black coffee today. I just did not know and wanted an opinion on it from people who know more about it than me. My nutritionist had said diet soda was fine so that is why I was drinking it in the first place. At least it helped me get off the sugar soda and helped me lose all this weight. Now I will lose even more.
     
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    Ya, most of them don't know shit. My wife took one of our daughters to a nutritionist and much of the snacks that they recommended included sugar. She also provided a smoothie recipe with a protein powder loaded with Stevia. Her argument was that Stevia is better than artificial NAS because it is "natural". Same problem, it's sweet and insulin is released.
     
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