Didn't Lennox Lewis possess the hardest jab of all time by a mile?

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  1. spacetime Brown Belt

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    I have never seen a harder jab in my life, and it fast too. Could it be argued because of it's combined power and speed that it was the greatest jab ever?

    How would you rate it next to Holmes?
     
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    Maybe the heaviest, with Liston's.

    As for a scoring, positionning and combo-setting tool, I'd say Ali and Holmes's were better, but Lewis's was pretty excellent. Wlad is also in the discussion.
     
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    You're saying Lewis scored fewer jabs? He was infamous for killing opponents with the jab and being boring. Few boxers landed as many jabs!
     
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    That's not what I said, actually.
     
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    You wrote "as for scoring".... if you dont dispute that he scored the highest, how could it not be the reference jab given its power.
     
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    You could argue that Listons jab power was on par with Lewis. But it was not as effective.
     
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    The thread title and the question you asked was about having the hardest jab. I answered adressing jabbing power on one hand, and the other uses you can make of a jab on the other hand.

    As for sheer frequency I don't think Lewis landed more jabs than Ali and Holmes in a typical fight. I may be wrong, though, but I've seen many of their fights. Vitali also threw lots of them. That being said no one can ever deny that Lewis was a superb jabbing machine.
     
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    Given that he made his living off the jab I'd say he did.
     
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    I already made a thread proclaiming Lewis to be the greatest pound for pound. A proposition I stand by. He was simply arrogant when he lost. Never seen him outboxed. Mike Tyson was grateful for the opportunity to fight him and concidered him the master.
     
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    Mrs Lewis, is that you?
     
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    If by jab you mean ding dong, yes.
     
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    Butthurt that your US man Holyfield was beaten twice by a brit?

    Keep dreaming that Holyfield is better than Lewis.
     
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    Was that aimed at me? Nobody had mentioned Holyfield. Also I'm from sub Saharan Africa.
     
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    Is your avatar of that crying little bitch Cormier with glasses on?
     
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    Yes
     
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    Umm......old George Foreman arguably had the hardest jab.
    May not have looked pretty but it was like a battering ram to the head.

    Here's some (not verbatim) descriptions by opponents :

    Joe Frazier : it was like having a telephone repeatedly swung at your head (mimics a battering ram motion with his hands)

    Evander Holyfield : it didn't hurt but I looked down at my leg and it felt like it was vibrating.

    Unknown sparring partner who had sparred both Lewis and a old Foreman : Lennox 's hands were distinctly unpleasant but Foreman's was something else. It was slow but he timed it good and every time it landed it was like my face got a shot of Novocain. Just numbed my head like a brain freeze ....ever time. I can't imagine what he hit like in his youth.
     
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    As he got older, the Lewis jab became a thing of beauty. One of the best heavyweight sticks there was.

    Larry Holmes' jab was the best of all-time, IMO.
     
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    you chat like a white guy
     
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    I'd say many of the HWs during the 80s had jabs as good or better than Lennox. That was the era of a bunch of big guys that grew up tailoring their game to emulate Muhammad Ali.
     
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