Did the Son of Sam really act alone? Or was he a member of a murderous Satanic cult?

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    After many years of wandering in the wilderness with no home to speak of, Unsolved Mysteries recently landed on Amazon Prime. I was watching an episode from way back in Season 1 recently about David Berkowitz, a.k.a. the Son of Sam, and they were talking about how some evidence leads toward to the conclusion that there were multiple killers involved rather than a single gunman. (@DaleBoca, maybe you remember this ep?)

    For anyone who needs a refresher on the Son of Sam case, here you go:

    David Berkowitz:


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    However, even early in the investigation questions were raised about whether or not he was the only person involved.

    Here's the article on Unsolved Mysteries' official website about the case. It has a lot of interesting info.

    https://unsolved.com/gallery/son-of-sam/

    For one, police sketches based upon survivors' descriptions varied wildly:


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    For another, Berkowitz taunted the police with notes that seemed to indicate he may not be acting alone but was instead in league with a group of some kind:


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    But perhaps most importantly, Berkowitz himself says that he had been a member of a Satanic cult and later said that he only committed some of the murders, not all of them.

    However, even putting aside the Satanic cult theory, according to journalist John Hockenberry, from the beginning there were suspicions that Berkowitz did not act alone.

    So what do you guys think? Was David Berkowitz THE Son of Sam murderer? Or was he just the fall guy who took all the blame?
     
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    Am I being possessed right now or is there an Unforgiven reference in that note?
     
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    I haven't seen Unforgiven in a long time.

    What do you think the reference is?
     
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    The Aliens brah

    It was the Aliens and John Titor who brainwashed him
     
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    Didn’t his car not match the description of the known car associated with most of the shootings?
     
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    The Duke of Death!

    (Tried to google the origin of the term from my phone but all I got were GTA references.)
     
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    See right there

    Thats some John Titor time travel shit

    How the fuck would Son of Sam know a GTA reference in 1970 brah

    He wouldn't know!
     
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    I'm part of a satanic cult and we just masturbate in a circle, drink each other's sacrifice blood offerings, etc. So I don't believe this stuff.
     
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    That's right, Unforgiven was released in 1992. Son of Sam was doing his shit long before that.
     
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    The dog made him do it
     
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    From the OP:

    NYPD officer Richard Johnson, involved in the original investigations, has opined that unresolved discrepancies in statements from witnesses and surviving victims indicate Berkowitz did not act alone: "Why are there three [suspect] cars, five different [suspect] descriptions, different heights, different shapes, different sizes of the perpetrator? Somebody else was there."

    So it seems that three different cars were described by witnesses.
     
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    Different accounts from different people can be contributed to these events happening usually at night time and a traumatic experience

    Zodiac Killer has had tons of different accounts of what he looks like

    Same with the Golden State Killer

    I don't think that this is an uncommon thing to happen.(I think that cop is reaching )
     
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    I'm not saying that Berkowitz did or did not act alone. But when looking at ALL of the evidence, including Berkowitz's own claim that others were involved, I think you have to at least be open to the possibility that there's more to the story.

    Consider that the police department itself that was in charge of the investigation later re-opened the case and the case remains open to this day.
     
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    Ah whatever I'm not reading dates on a screen this size lol.
     
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    Are you not familiar at all with the Son of Sam? It's a very famous case from the 70s.
     
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    Nope, your post was the first I've heard of it. Guy looks like Andre the Giant's little brother.

    I'd like to know how much the descriptions of the perpetrator varied.
     
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    It's one of the most important true crime cases, in the same realm as Manson, the Zodiac, BTK, etc.

    Pretty fascinating stuff. If you find true crime interesting, you should read up on it.
     
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    Its interesting that the case is still open

    But I really dont think Berkowitz claim itself holds any weight other than a cool what if

    I have a problem with taking anything his says seriously
     
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    Well I guess that's what we're doing ITT, asking "What if?" And then looking to see if there's any evidence to support that What if?.

    The Yonkers police found the idea plausible enough that they reopened the case in 1996. Two journalists have spent years of their lives working on the case and writing about it. And multiple TV outlets have explored the possibility as well.

    So I don't really think of it as a fringe theory akin to the flat earth. There's some weight behind it.
     
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