Did Elliot Rodger start a dark movement?

[bad seed]

this is what happens when you empower women, put them on a pedestal, and discourage weak helpless men. these guys are basically the bottom of the barrel, socially inept and have no way to cope

That and the average weight of women is something ridiculous now like 170 lbs while there are a lot of fit and ripped men these days.

Dating has definitely changed a great deal as I've come of age. I had about 44-46 sexual partners from age 14 to age 23. In the last 3 years since tinder and bumble have become huge I've only added 1 more to that pool. Getting sex definitely used to be many times easier.

In the end it'll work out for me. I'm white, 6'4, somewhere between average and good looking.

youre not entitled to women, no matter what inflated "SMV" rating you place on yourself. It seems this is the cause of global male anxiety crisis because women finally wield more power in dating choices and you're no longer guaranteed a mate.

Before the rise of agriculture, very few men actually got to breed as women only chose the most socially powerful men in their tribe. The vast majority of Y chromosome lines died off without producing heirs, while mitochondrial female ancestral lines are much more diverse. This means the proto-Chad banged all the Stacies even in prehistory, and most men were destined to die alone.

This is merely a return to the natural state. Agriculture and religion necessitated family building but we are in a transition period in civilization.

 

[Der Eisbär]

youre not entitled to women, no matter what inflated "SMV" rating you place on yourself. It seems this is the cause of global male anxiety crisis because women finally wield more power in dating choices and you're no longer guaranteed a mate.

Before the rise of agriculture, very few men actually got to breed as women only chose the most socially powerful men in their tribe. The vast majority of Y chromosome lines died off without producing heirs, while mitochondrial female ancestral lines are much more diverse. This means the proto-Chad banged all the Stacies even in prehistory, and most men were destined to die alone.

This is merely a return to the natural state. Agriculture and religion necessitated family building but we are in a transition period in civilization.

Yeah, I agree with you. I never said I was entitled to women. Only issue is that I believe apps like tinder are hyper accentuating the natural state that you just laid out.

 

[Alphaboy]

Before the rise of agriculture, very few men actually got to breed as women only chose the most socially powerful men in their tribe. The vast majority of Y chromosome lines died off without producing heirs, while mitochondrial female ancestral lines are much more diverse. This means the proto-Chad banged all the Stacies even in prehistory, and most men were destined to die alone.

This is merely a return to the natural state. Agriculture and religion necessitated family building but we are in a transition period in civilization.

I never heard this before though and question the veracity of this.

Men of high social status have always gotten the hottest women (whatever hot meant at that time) and the low-ranking males always got the left-overs.

Low ranking guys could still screw, it's just that

a. The King/pharoah/etc. could bang their girl whenever they wanted to (I forgot the official term for this).

b. Women historically (and still) screwed desirable guys in secret and the low status males unknowingly care for another man's offspring (cuckold).

But these low ranking guys still had kids of their own.

 

[Po]

youre not entitled to women, no matter what inflated "SMV" rating you place on yourself. It seems this is the cause of global male anxiety crisis because women finally wield more power in dating choices and you're no longer guaranteed a mate.

Before the rise of agriculture, very few men actually got to breed as women only chose the most socially powerful men in their tribe. The vast majority of Y chromosome lines died off without producing heirs, while mitochondrial female ancestral lines are much more diverse. This means the proto-Chad banged all the Stacies even in prehistory, and most men were destined to die alone.

This is merely a return to the natural state. Agriculture and religion necessitated family building but we are in a transition period in civilization.

I think we were just calling it like it is dude. Not sure about the others but I do ok with the ladies.

Online dating is skewed towards favoring women.
A guy being very fit doesn't mean much anymore with all the jacked dudes out there.
A woman not being obese is an achievement.

 

[bad seed]

I never heard this before though and question the veracity of this.

Men of high social status have always gotten the hottest women (whatever hot meant at that time) and the low-ranking males always got the left-overs.

Low ranking guys could still screw, it's just that

a. The King/pharoah/etc. could bang their girl whenever they wanted to (I forgot the official term for this).

b. Women historically (and still) screwed desirable guys in secret and the low status males unknowingly care for another man's offspring (cuckold).

But these low ranking guys still had kids of their own.

this isnt based on some sociological study of paleolithic humans as obviously that is impossible. This comes from the cold hard data of Y chromosome bottlenecks in human population from the painful truth that very few percentage of men successfully bred.

 

[bad seed]

I think we were just calling it like it is dude. Not sure about the others but I do ok with the ladies.

Online dating is skewed towards favoring women.
A guy being very fit doesn't mean much anymore with all the jacked dudes out there.
A woman not being obese is an achievement.

why shouldnt it be skewed to favor women? In nearly every other species, the female is much more valuable and males have to fight for their right to breed. You pump out more sperm in a minute than a female produces eggs in her entire life. Sperm is astonishingly cheap, while an egg and womb are the foundations of survival.

 

[TemujinKhan]

Its not surprising considering with how much western culture puts women and sex on a pedestal. And it seems to be getting even worse with the next generation.

- increased peer pressure to have many sexual partners and not be a virgin.
- social media increases the exposure of all the good times the "chad and staceys' are having. We also live in a culture that says "if you got it, flaunt it!"
- new generation of men less likely to approach women due to living on the internet, social media and porn.

I remember a thread on here earlier about a woman who killed brutally murdered her own child and more than half the posts were about how much the male posters wanted to have sex with her.

I see this type of thing more often now, jokes/memes about how they would drink a girls urine to have sex with her, how they would have sex with a psychopath or murderer, etc.

Now you can just say its all jokes, but I do think it speaks to something greater. There were always sex jokes in the past but not like on this level where sex is put on the ultimate pedestal, where men state they are willing to demean themselves or forgo their own dignities and moralities.

I travel sometimes and you will literally never hear jokes like this in other cultures. It says something about how much women and sex are glorified here.

 

[ithinktheymad]

Honestly, I never really developed any sort of "game". Virtually all of my girlfriends and sexual partners approached me back in the day. Now I'm going to school full time (where there's plenty of women around) but I'm not out partying anymore, actually trying to get sober/healthy. I'm only finishing up my first semester at university (junior, went to CC) so we'll see what happens. I've got another year and a half in uni and I'm finally starting to lose weight and lean out. I expect good things on the horizon.

Work on it game is not always how you catch them but it's definitely how you keep them. Sounds like you have your head on straight though, break a leg out there.

 

[Der Eisbär]

Its not surprising considering with how much western culture puts women and sex on a pedestal. And it seems to be getting even worse with the next generation.

- increased peer pressure to have many sexual partners and not be a virgin.
- social media increases the exposure of all the good times the "chad and staceys' are having. We also live in a culture that says "if you got it, flaunt it!"
- new generation of men less likely to approach women due to living on the internet, social media and porn.

I remember a thread on here earlier about a woman who killed brutally murdered her own child and more than half the posts were about how much the male posters wanted to have sex with her.

I see this type of thing more often now, jokes/memes about how they would drink a girls urine to have sex with her, how they would have sex with a psychopath or murderer, etc.

Now you can just say its all jokes, but I do think it speaks to something greater. There were always sex jokes in the past but not like on this level where sex is put on the ultimate pedestal, where men state they are willing to demean themselves or forgo their own dignities and moralities.

I travel sometimes and you will literally never hear jokes like this in other cultures. It says something about how much women and sex are glorified here.

Double edged sword. Men are becoming weaker and more pathetic, which is worse for society but better for competition. The bar has been set incredibly low and standing out these days is not that difficult.

 

[Po]

why shouldnt it be skewed to favor women? In nearly every other species, the female is much more valuable and males have to fight for their right to breed. You pump out more sperm in a minute than a female produces eggs in her entire life. Sperm is astonishingly cheap, while an egg and womb are the foundations of survival.

Disagree dude. Its only in modern society where women are put on such a pedestal.

I am not saying lets go back to arranged marriages but 50/50 equality is good. Artificially putting women up as inherently more valuable than men is bad.

You mention animals but neglect to mention how those top males stay on top and how they treat the females ie) lions killing or banishing each other or raping females or killing cubs from other lions.

Your artificial formula and agenda will result in a lot of female entitlement and laziness and mgtow among men.

 

[Po]

this isnt based on some sociological study of paleolithic humans as obviously that is impossible. This comes from the cold hard data of Y chromosome bottlenecks in human population from the painful truth that very few percentage of men successfully bred.

This is because of historical extreme disparities in wealth or class or conquests with war.

It doesn't fly in a modern society that preaches "equality" (oh except for the putting women on a pedestal agenda).

 

[bad seed]

Disagree dude. Its only in modern society where women are put on such a pedestal.

I am not saying lets go back to arranged marriages but 50/50 equality is good. Artificially putting women up as inherently more valuable than men is bad.

You mention animals but neglect to mention how those top males stay on top and how they treat the females ie) lions killing or banishing each other or raping females or killing cubs from other lions.

Your artificial formula and agenda will result in a lot of female entitlement and laziness and mgtow among men.

what I'm talking about is pre-agricultural paleolithic period. Before history and writing. Things were VERY different back then and only with the advent of agriculture did humans defy our biological impulses and settle down with a mate and create families.

And that period is where 90% of male lines vanished because they could not secure mates.

Lionesses too live longer and leave more heirs than male lions because only a tiny percent of them can control a pride. And even then, their reigns are 2-3 years at most.

In terms of reproduction, yes, a successful male has it better than any female. But all females are better off than 99% of males because their genes will survive.

This is because of historical extreme disparities in wealth or class or conquests with war.

It doesn't fly in a modern society that preaches "equality" (oh except for the putting women on a pedestal agenda).

what is this childish "putting women on a pedestal" shit? Life isnt a redpill meme. The mathematics of biology simply make eggs more valuable than sperm.

 

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

i know some dudes who never get laid, and they arent murderers. this dude and eliot rogeres were just pieces of human shit, tahts it why they didnt get laid. as far as looks go both of them could have easily landed some snizz, but their perwsonalities are and were probably attrocuis

 

[Po]

what I'm talking about is pre-agricultural paleolithic period. Before history and writing. Things were VERY different back then and only with the advent of agriculture did humans defy our biological impulses and settle down with a mate and create families.

And that period is where 90% of male lines vanished because they could not secure mates.

Lionesses too live longer and leave more heirs than male lions because only a tiny percent of them can control a pride. And even then, their reigns are 2-3 years at most.

In terms of reproduction, yes, a successful male has it better than any female. But all females are better off than 99% of males because their genes will survive.

what is this childish "putting women on a pedestal" shit? Life isnt a redpill meme. The mathematics of biology simply make eggs more valuable than sperm.

What is this childish pedestal stuff? Its artificial is what it is.

All the stuff you mention like about cavemen dna or animals, it was that way due to brute and sometimes scary force.

It wasn't a hipster with an agenda saying women are inherently more valuable than men.

 

[bad seed]

What is this childish pedestal stuff? Its artificial is what it is.

All the stuff you mention like about cavemen dna or animals, it was that way due to brute and sometimes scary force.

It wasn't a hipster with an agenda saying women are inherently more valuable than men.

hipster? agenda?

do you even biology, bro? A womb and egg are INHERENTLY more valuable to a population than easily replacable sperm. Weak men have gotten a huge boost from societal constructs like marriage, but that only applies to a vanishingly small percent of total human existence (about 7k years vs 100k+) and these trends youre seeing are merely a reversion back to the natural order.

So in a way, it is you who has the agenda to uphold as the beta male trying to leverage societal rules to steal 5 minutes of access to a vagina.

 

[Po]

hipster? agenda?

do you even biology, bro? A womb and egg are INHERENTLY more valuable to a population than easily replacable sperm. Weak men have gotten a huge boost from societal constructs like marriage, but that only applies to a vanishingly small percent of total human existence (about 7k years vs 100k+) and these trends youre seeing are merely a reversion back to the natural order.

So in a way, it is you who has the agenda to uphold as the beta male trying to leverage societal rules to steal 5 minutes of access to a vagina.

"Natural order" would involve cavemen giving clubs upside the head to women.

It would involve Ghengis Khan and mass rape and pillaging.

We are talking about modern equality focused society. Saying an egg is more valuable than a sperm is disingenuous. Men are stronger in general than women and most societies favored sons over women for strength and labor and other reasons.

Lifting up the value of women only reduces their quality as they rest on their laurels.

Call me a beta or whatever. I just call it as it is.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

just not sure what underlying subtext you were referring in the post i originally quoted you about "state funded media"

state funded media = cbc. No underlying subtext, just that they should be held to a better standard than just repeating the facebook post ad nauseam without delving further into the lead.

 

[Medulla Omoplata]

Some of you guys are fucking weird and creepy

 

[D Train]

We just find out that the van killer in Toronto is an Incel and a Elliot Rodger worshipper. He also hates "Chads" and "Stacies" of the world.

It seems like there is a movement of loveless young male adults who aren't getting any good times and many have dark thoughts but it seems like some are taking action.

I remember Joe Rogan several times talking about a former friend who was looking for love and he went from looking for love to hoping women would get raped. Scary part is, this seems like a rise of archetype personality of modern men as oppose to just one time incident.

My thing I don't understand is, why was this not happening in the 90s and before that? Is social media making it look like guys with girlfriends more glamorous? Like they have a harem of women in the eyes of the forever aloners/incels?


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Part of the problem is that’s it’s much easier to find likeminded people and those communities become echo chambers.

 

[SMillard]

Japanese culture is vastly different than Western culture though. Vastly.

yeah, they have the decency to just off themselves instead of wiping out a crowd.