Did any other fighters in history get sideways on their opponent like Vasyl?

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    Like the last punch on this sequence

     
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    Looks like a Pac move
     
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    god damn, lomachenko can fight.

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    I've not seen someone do it so consistently, that's Loma's strongest point, his opponents can't find a safe place to stand, he's constantly exploiting their feet. Even at times when he's already the aggressor delivering a volley of Lomanchenko-grade combination at no hoper guy's face, their attempts to find safe ground or a way to counter are often just as unproductive as standing still.
     
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    Nope.

    No other fighter throughout the history of the sport has ever used lateral movement before. The first time Loma did it the ref took a point because he didn't even know if it was legal or not. Luckily the commissioner of all boxing was at the fight and stepped into the ring and said since no one had ever seen it or heard of it or thought of it before that it couldn't be against the rules since it never existed until now. Since then a few other fighters have tried doing the same thing but since they all spent their entire lives only moving forwards and backwards most of them just trip over their own feet and fall down when they go sideways.
     
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    It's a fairly basic thing for a southpaw to do against an orthodox fighter (or vice versa). Lomachenko just does it far better than most.
     
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    Yeah but that's just because the sport has evolved a lot in recent years. Before the 1940's bouts solely took place on wooden planks resting across two unfinished buildings. Put Lomachenko up against a journeyman in those days and he'd have fallen face first onto 5th ave.
     
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    TS, yes, but only a few in boxing history did it deliberately. None have done it as effortlessly and consistently at a high level as part of their arsenal. Of those guys, Camacho was the best at it that I've seen aside from Lomachenko. If you watch enough boxing at any level you'll see opposite stance fighters in an "open stance" fight unintentionally establishing this dominant position but not recognizing its advantages for offense & defense. The position itself is called the T-line. There's also the reverse T-line position. The "T" stands for tail. It's lead foot dominance (lead foot on the outside of your opponent's) taken to an extreme degree, to quote Wilson Kayden's film study on it. The objective is to clear their lead leg and get to the outside of their lead shoulder where you can hit them and they can't hit you.

    Watch this video I timestamped for you


    Stepping around to turn the corner allows you to enter through the "backdoor" and work them on the turn (if they turn toward you), which Loma does. He'll intelligently put his opponents on the defensive where they're usually just standing still and covering up. From there it's a matter of using an angled sidestep or a hop-step and working off that established line if they don't know how to counter or prevent it. Looking to shut it down preemptively or proactively rather than reactively countering it is the best option since you don't want him gaining that position in the first place. Walters tried by throwing hooks to the body to prevent him from angling in that direction. A hook to the body to mitigate this can be ducked, however (see Lomachenko vs Rodriguez), but it's been the best attempt I've seen at stopping Loma from abusing his right-handed opponents positionally in this particular manner.
     
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    McGregor repeatedly did it to Mayweather.

    He just couldn't capitalise, but, if it had been a REAL fight, he would have won blah blah blah.
     
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    Vasyl isn't the first to cut angles. His opponent in that gif was evidently already concussed prior to him cutting that angle and was covering up in a traditional mexican stance hoping to just survive but little did he know Vasyl had other plans. If Vasyl's opponent in that gif was elite he would've circled around or cut a angle so that him and Vasyl were seeing eachother eye to eye and looked up to see what Vasyl was planning instead of planting his feet and covering up.
     
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    What an innovator. Never seen anything like it. Reminds me of how GGG simultaneously invented and brought back shifting from WWII.
     
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    Crazy footworks there by the Irish One !

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    Hamed Pac-Man and rjj are three that jump immediately to mind. I’m sure there’s at least one of the 4 where Vasquez and Marquez were doing it to each other (no homo).
     
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