Denmark and Italy Fight Back Against Open Borders As Populism Swells Across Europe

[Soul Crusher]

Ffs this was an ad campaign for "spies rejser" which is a travel agency to create attention. Again, don't know what you're talking about.

It is true that the birthrate has been dropping since the baby boomers and that the future will have some challenges in regards to having enough hands to feed our elderly. It was nothing to do with "being replaced" or whatever you are on about. Denmark is 90% ethnic danish ancestry, compared to the states that are only about 7% ethnic American. We are extremely homogenous.

Only 7% Ethnic American?

 

[Sano]

Yes I do. I know what progress does to a country as I've seen the effects first hand.

Crime rates aren't dropping because of progressive liberalism so why are you bringing this up?

Limited amounts of immigrants will integrate better than massive amounts of immigrants!?!?


You think if progressive dreams come true and Europe is flooded with Africans and Arabs, Denmark won't be invaded by the progressive liberal horde?

You're completely strawmanning the position of the so called "liberal horde" or whatever you are on about. No on here in Denmark wants open borders and no one in any other nothern country wants open borders either. You are completely delusional and engulfed in identity politics. We want what we have always wanted. A sensible immigration program in line with international law, where we help were we can and keep doing what made us the nation we are today. You don't understand our history, we actually look at facts and try to represent reality. That's the only way you can find sustainable solutions.

You've just been spouting nonsense so far and I've provided the information. First we were "overrun", now you're changing the goalpost and claiming we tackle issues because we have "less immigrants".

 

[Sano]

Only 7% Ethnic American?

Ancestry, yes. From the national American Community Survey:
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

You have greater Irish and German ancestry, than tracked from the New English. Dude, you're a country less than 300 years old made up entirely of immigrants with waves coming in late 1800s and early 1900s, as well as after 1965. I live in a country that's thousands of years old.

"The United States has been the top destination for international migrants since at least 1960, with one-fifth of the world's migrants living there as of 2017" - https://www.migrationpolicy.org/art...tics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

 

[snakedafunky]

I don't know man. I dont want to go all ethnonationailst but I can kinda undertand the point of a person, thinking immigration and acceptance of asylum seekers and refugees isn't a good thing, especially when you have a stagnating population of Danish decendants. So much so they have to run national ads and propaganda encouraging people to fuck. When the same people that are coming are outbreeding you at a rate of 7:1

5 million is nothing. You could shift the balance remarkably easily.

I personally think taking in refugees is a good thing. Helping out people in need is beneficial for a society and teaches children to be compassionate about each other.
Of course that all would have to be within reason. But helping out 500 actual war refugees seems reasonable for Denmark.
It is exactly the kind of compassionate behavior that has made Denmark into the prosperous socialist fair country that it is today.

Same as immigration. Reasonable immigration is a good thing and necessary thing for a country with declining birth rates.
Or course that has to be reasonable. Letting everyone walk in like Germany or Sweden did is the opposite of reasonable.

 

[Philtard]

Ffs this was an ad campaign for "spies rejser" which is a travel agency to create attention. Again, don't know what you're talking about.

It is true that the birthrate has been dropping since the baby boomers and that the future will have some challenges in regards to having enough hands to feed our elderly. It was nothing to do with "being replaced" or whatever you are on about. Denmark is 90% ethnic danish ancestry, compared to the states that are only about 7% ethnic American. We are extremely homogenous.

I appreciate you letting me know about the origins of the campaign. But at that same time you accept the stagnating population which is kinda more to the point.

Add in that Denmark has a very small population and things like these need to be kept in real check.

 

[Sano]

I personally think taking in refugees is a good thing. Helping out people in need is beneficial for a society and teaches children to be compassionate about each other.
Of course that all would have to be within reason. But helping out 500 actual war refugees seems reasonable for Denmark.
It is exactly the kind of compassionate behavior that has made Denmark into the prosperous socialist fair country that it is today.

Same as immigration. Reasonable immigration is a good thing and necessary thing for a country with declining birth rates.
Or course that has to be reasonable. Letting everyone walk in like Germany or Sweden did is the opposite of reasonable.

Agree. Sweden and Germany was way too lax. The Syrian war played into it. Sweden however closed the border for refugees in 2016 and has turned the corner and consistently tightened their immigration policies, same with Germany.

 

[Soul Crusher]

You're completely strawmanning the position of the so called "liberal horde" or whatever you are on about. No on here in Denmark wants open borders and no one in any other nothern country wants open borders either. You are completely delusional and engulfed in identity politics. We want what we have always wanted. A sensible immigration program in line with international law, where we help were we can and keep doing what made us the nation we are today. You don't understand our history, we actually look at facts and try to represent reality. That's the only way you can find sustainable solutions.

You've just been spouting nonsense so far and I've provided the information. First we were "overrun", now you're changing the goalpost and claiming we tackle issues because we have "less immigrants".

Yes the progressive liberal horde is real. We've seen AFTIFA throughout the world. We've seen the horde unleash the Canadian human rights commission and watched it cleave through the ranks.

We've seen traitor Trudeau.


We've seen what has happened to Sweden.

I never said you were overrun. I just said I can see progress worming its way in.

That's great for Denmark, my people did the same thing for me. But progress is changing that. Don't think you're any different. If it can happen to the Germans, English and Swedes, it can happen to you.

 

[Philtard]

I personally think taking in refugees is a good thing. Helping out people in need is beneficial for a society and teaches children to be compassionate about each other.
Of course that all would have to be within reason. But helping out 500 actual war refugees seems reasonable for Denmark.
It is exactly the kind of compassionate behavior that has made Denmark into the prosperous socialist fair country that it is today.

Same as immigration. Reasonable immigration is a good thing and necessary thing for a country with declining birth rates.
Or course that has to be reasonable. Letting everyone walk in like Germany or Sweden did is the opposite of reasonable.

Yes taking in refugees seems nice. But at that same time the whole of Europe is involved in a refugee exchange program with Turkey that involves swapping refugees that are currently in situ with vetted Syrian refugees in Turkey.

It also sometimes boggles my mind how people can't understand that given the foreign policy of their own government. These refugees are probably going to a group of the same countries that have bombed them and killed their family.

And that if I were to put myself in their position I would both have leave a dangerous situation but resent being "saved" by the same fuckers that killed my family.

I understand the need or want to do good. But essentially you are the same people who displaced them.

 

[Soul Crusher]

Ancestry, yes. From the national American Community Survey:
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

You have greater Irish and German ancestry, than tracked from the New English. Dude, you're a country less than 300 years old made up entirely of immigrants with waves coming in late 1800s and early 1900s, as well as after 1965. I live in a country that's thousands of years old.

"The United States has been the top destination for international migrants since at least 1960, with one-fifth of the world's migrants living there as of 2017" - https://www.migrationpolicy.org/art...tics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states

You're fucked up man. How do you think new ethnicities are created?

Age should not matter. Americans, Canadians, Australians and South Africans are new ethnic groups.

Do you think Jamaicans are Africans? South and central Americans are Spanish? Are the Japanese really just Koreans?

 

[Sano]

I appreciate you letting me know about the origins of the campaign. But at that same time you accept the stagnating population which is kinda more to the point.

Add in that Denmark has a very small population and things like these need to be kept in real check.

It's two seperate issues. I've already laid out the facts about non-western immigration. We are actually taking LESS war refugees per capita than the states, and that's embarrasing.

We do however need to keep importing labor because we simply wont be able to sustain our elderly population in a few generations. For all the propagandists out there, don't worry, it wont be muslims we import. It's going to be EU folk like Polish, German and Romanian (which already outnumber non-western immgration 10-1).

 

[Sano]

Yes the progressive liberal horde is real. We've seen AFTIFA throughout the world. We've seen the horde unleash the Canadian human rights commission and watched it cleave through the ranks.

We've seen traitor Trudeau.


We've seen what has happened to Sweden.

I never said you were overrun. I just said I can see progress worming its way in.

That's great for Denmark, my people did the same thing for me. But progress is changing that. Don't think you're any different. If it can happen to the Germans, English and Swedes, it can happen to you.

You're fucked up man. How do you think new ethnicities are created?

Age should not matter. Americans, Canadians, Australians and South Africans are a new ethnicity.

Do you think Jamaicans are Africans? South and central Americans are Spanish? Are the Japanese really just Koreans?

Again you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Facts over feelings dude, you haven't provided a single one. I feel like I'm wasting my time here.

 

[Bald1]

Meanwhile you also have the EU, that are possibly going to trigger article 7 on Hungary (which will allow them to enforce sanctions on them) this being due to theur lack of humanitarianism towards refugees, guy verhofstadt Even asked for US military intervention.

Hungary having a democratically elected president in Orban who has won the last 3 elections, the last one being by a 93% majority..

Now I'm no intellectual. But something about that seems unreasonable and ironic.

By my understanding sanctions need a unanimous vote, and that's not going to happen. I don't want to derail yet another thread, so will just leave it at that.

 

[Soul Crusher]

Again you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Facts over feelings dude, you haven't provided a single one. I feel like I'm wasting my time here.

Yes I have. All those people mixing together formed new ethnic groups. New countries and unique cultures were created.

The Japanese are not Koreans.

 

[Philtard]

I personally think taking in refugees is a good thing. Helping out people in need is beneficial for a society and teaches children to be compassionate about each other.
Of course that all would have to be within reason. But helping out 500 actual war refugees seems reasonable for Denmark.
It is exactly the kind of compassionate behavior that has made Denmark into the prosperous socialist fair country that it is today.

Same as immigration. Reasonable immigration is a good thing and necessary thing for a country with declining birth rates.
Or course that has to be reasonable. Letting everyone walk in like Germany or Sweden did is the opposite of reasonable.

It's two seperate issues. I've already laid out the facts about non-western immigration. We are actually taking LESS war refugees per capita than the states, and that's embarrasing.

We do however need to keep importing labor because we simply wont be able to sustain our elderly population in a few generations. For all the propagandists out there, don't worry, it wont be muslims we import. It's going to be EU folk like Polish, German and Romanian.

mate. Don't get me wrong, I'm not into ethnonationilsm. And it's not about race. It's about culture. And

It's two seperate issues. I've already laid out the facts about non-western immigration. We are actually taking LESS war refugees per capita than the states, and that's embarrasing.

We do however need to keep importing labor because we simply wont be able to sustain our elderly population in a few generations. For all the propagandists out there, don't worry, it wont be muslims we import. It's going to be EU folk like Polish, German and Romanian (which already outnumber non-western immgration 10-1).

Those three countries you have just highlighted are in the exact same boat when it comes to their own stagnating indigenous populations.

So for culture reasons, I congratulate you on making the switch. it'll slow down the process slightly at least.

 

[snakedafunky]

Yes taking in refugees seems nice. But at that same time the whole of Europe is involved in a refugee exchange program with Turkey that involves swapping refugees that are currently in situ with vetted Syrian refugees in Turkey.

It also sometimes boggles my mind how people can't understand that given the foreign policy of their own government. These refugees are probably going to a group of the same countries that have bombed them and killed their family.

And that if I were to put myself in their position I would both have leave a dangerous situation but resent being "saved" by the same fuckers that killed my family.

I understand the need or want to do good. But essentially you are the same people who displaced them.

Well in Germany's case we haven't really bombed anyone since WW2. And our government is against foreign intervention.
So I don't really think you can say Germany or most of Europe is responsible for that.
I guess you could make a good argument saying that we profit from selling weapons to the people who bomb them.

The thing with the refugee crisis is that everyone got caught by the size of it. But if you look at the numbers of arrivals they are sharply down compared to 2015.
While it is not perfect you can definitely see Germany and other countries making considerable improvement in not just stopping the refugee flow.
But also handling Asylum requests faster and having better processes in place for deportations.
Of course, there is still a lot more room for improvement. But it's going in the right direction.

 

[Philtard]

By my understanding sanctions need a unanimous vote, and that's not going to happen. I don't want to derail yet another thread, so will just leave it at that.

You're not derailing, they do.

They won't get it. Poland will veto it.

 

[Bald1]

You're not derailing, they do.

They won't get it. Poland will veto it.

Just ask @snakedafunky

Hungary+migrant quota is like the Bat Signal to me. Lol. Best leave it alone.

 

[Philtard]

Well in Germany's case we haven't really bombed anyone since WW2. And our government is against foreign intervention.
So I don't really think you can say Germany or most of Europe is responsible for that.
I guess you could make a good argument saying that we profit from selling weapons to the people who bomb them.

The thing with the refugee crisis is that everyone got caught by the size of it. But if you look at the numbers of arrivals they are sharply down compared to 2015.
While it is not perfect you can definitely see Germany and other countries making considerable improvement in not just stopping the refugee flow.
But also handling Asylum requests faster and having better processes in place for deportations.
Of course, there is still a lot more room for improvement. But it's going in the right direction.

I don't think we are to be honest. This is something that will continue. Education will be key to population control in poorer regions around the world. But at that same time there are going to be billions more in the not too distant future.

 

[Philtard]

Just ask @snakedafunky

Hungary+migrant quota is like the Bat Signal to me. Lol. Best leave it alone.

I'm looking at moving to Hungary in the not too distant future. Which is why I keep up with their news.

England has become a massive Marxist shit hole. And it's getting terrifying.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

what did Merkel think was going to happen?
the rest of the EU (namely Central/Eastern Europe) would just take it on the chin and say nothing?