Defense against Kata Guruma

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by VagabondMusashi, Oct 12, 2005.

  1. VagabondMusashi Banned

    VagabondMusashi
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,080
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    Unless they grip the back of your calf or your gi, the opponent practically sets himself up for a crucifix. And even so they risk it. Yet is is done so much on tournaments. Thoughts?
     
    #1
  2. hamoom Purple Belt

    hamoom
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2002
    Messages:
    2,453
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Costa Mesa CA
    i think if you do it quickly your opponent doesnt really have enough time to put the crucifix on. like if youre going for a single, he underhooks and you just dive into it quickly

    but yeah i suck at takedowns so.. dont ask me
     
    #2
  3. knoxpk Black Belt

    knoxpk
    Joined:
    May 25, 2003
    Messages:
    6,846
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    tampa,fl
    this is a speed technique called the firemans carry in wrestling. If your good at it your good at it. I have seen wrestlers hit this time and again and while it seems easy to defend it really is not agaisnt someone who has set you up and is quick enough to make it work. Beleive it or not the crucifix IS legal in amateur wrestling you just cant crank on it. But it can be used as a pin...


    [​IMG]
     
    #3
  4. if you do a sloppy fireman's slow as hell, im sure you can hit with a crucifix pin. the key to a good firemans is being tight, compact, and quick. i always like to snatch them over me as i shoot, so i dont have to go far as much as just drop my elevation quickly and i'm to deep to counter.

    if you want to defend it, you have to be as quick as your opponent and catch them with a sprawl, crossface (dont get your arm caught under his armpit like above), and turn the corner so you can get your hips down. put your hands on the back of his head as you turn and you can jam it into the mat and stop his momentum. from here you could attempt that crucifix if his arm is trapped in your legs.

    you're basically defending a deep shot.
     
    #4
  5. VagabondMusashi Banned

    VagabondMusashi
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,080
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Brazil
    that is the tightest kata guruma i have seen in my life, damn.
    I say this cause guys who do it slow usually get crucifixed. I sprawl and bent towards their back so they fall back with the crucifix locked
     
    #5
  6. Bubble Boy Black Belt

    Bubble Boy
    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2003
    Messages:
    6,913
    Likes Received:
    8

    I'd start with this vagabond. Get your sprawl solid, and then move on to other counters down the road.
     
    #6
  7. Mark Limbaga Amateur Fighter

    Mark Limbaga
    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2004
    Messages:
    6,120
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    asia
    The best way to defend against it is to develop a good Harai Goshi and Uchi Mata when your opponent goes for the single.
     
    #7
  8. SmashiusClay Avatar of Cyttorak

    SmashiusClay
    Joined:
    May 27, 2005
    Messages:
    6,445
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    England
    If you are allowed to neck crank try pulling them down towards their head and then using a belt grip to flip them over the top of you and onto their back. If you stay tight you can then continue turning to apply a side crucifix neck crank, its tricky but if done right is a rather nice submission.
     
    #8
  9. Half Boston Crab Purple Belt

    Half Boston Crab
    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2001
    Messages:
    1,878
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Lund, SWEDEN
    In Judo you just grab the pant leg and: no crucifix.
     
    #9
  10. stephensharp Brown Belt

    stephensharp
    Joined:
    May 15, 2004
    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Or you just say "screw it" and cartwheel over the dude like Jimmy Pedro.

    I hit one of these last night while we were doing shots for different takedowns. I just brought up in the middle of it how it was my favorite in tourneys to mix up with drop seio or other sacrifice throws. I suck at it, no gi, though.
     
    #10
  11. TheHighlander Green Belt

    TheHighlander
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2003
    Messages:
    1,213
    Likes Received:
    0
    Even if you're not allowed to do neck cranks you can still hold the position (not cranking) and finish him with an arm lock. I get either a one-handed keylock or a figure four armbar.
     
    #11

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"