DC is greater than JJ, the true LHW goat, and It's not even close

[Gregoire1]

DC has never had any variances outside normal ranges. Find me an expert to disprove what I just said or please stop making the claim that he has.

The test which flagged Jones for Tbol is one based on the metabolites which linger after use. There's not much room for doubt there. It's bizarre that you are so willing to bury your head in the sand about Jones despite repeat offences, but have no problem pointing fingers at almost all other fighters without a shred of evidence.

Laughable.




Yes, DC cheated with the towel. Not sure that tarnishes his whole legacy in the same fashion as Jones' substance abuse. It does make him look very bad for a single fight.

He had very suspicious rate for athlete in his prime. Even for young man. Which experts? This was just different stage pf the cycle probably.
Laughable its your head in the sand when claiming obvious thing about high-level fighters and pretent they are clean ( and DC especially with all suspicious things). But about Jones you claiming "not much room" to secure in your own absolutely not proven opinions based on 1 failed test and many passed, when process still investigated.
The towel was real and on tape and intentional substance using- opinion. And you know better than DC legacy not near Jones. If he cheated with towel why he wouldnt cheat in other things?

 

[Gregoire1]

This. This thread is a good display of Sherdog bias and hypocrisy. Remember when RDA beat Pettis? People started a fucking inquisition here claiming he was on steroids because nobody could ever fight at that pace. Cormier and Cain do the same thing despite fighting at the heaviest divisions? Damn they're so good!

Sherdog doesn't care about PEDs. Sherdog cares about finding excuses for their favorite guys losses and to shit on whoever they hate.

Absolutely. Its just fanboyism to defend their guy ( DC in this case). Old fat Olympian was clean and able to compete with geared young Jones. Its called tunnell vision.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Willful ignorance is a powerful force.

It's the desperation to defend Jones while simultaneously slandering fighters who have no history of cheating - or even worse, tarring everyone with the one brush - that blows my mind. How are the two concepts held in the one head simultaneously?

The whole "Everyone is on it" argument is fucking retarded when most of the roster makes below the poverty line and a bunch of the richest fighters in the biggest camps with the most money and access to the best gear keep failing.

 

[Codpiece]

He had very suspicious rate for athlete in his prime.

I have seen experts disagree with this and say flat out that Cormier's variance was within normal ranges.

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Can't find any? Not surprised. Stop repeating something you have no business saying in the first place.

Even for young man. Which experts? This was just different stage pf the cycle probably.

So again, nothing but finger pointing and supposition.

Laughable its your head in the sand when claiming obvious thing about high-level fighters and pretent they are clean ( and DC especially with all suspicious things).

Did I say they are all clean? Nope. But random finger pointing without a shred of evidence coupled with both assumptions for one group and ardent defence for one specific individual who has been caught more than once is comical in its irony.

But about Jones you claiming "not much room" to secure in your own absolutely not proven opinions based on 1 failed test and many passed, when process still investigated.

Jones has been busted more than once, actually. The E-blockers turned up in generic Cailas, but are commonly used in PCT. That Jones was caught using a steroid afterward supports the view that he was using the E-blockers for part of his PCT.

The towel was real and on tape and intentional substance using- opinion.

Back to this? Did you miss the part where I refused to defend Towelgate? It was dodgy. We aren't arguing about that.

And you know better than DC legacy not near Jones.

At LHW I am inclined to agree. Cormier's body of work there isn't that big. He did start at HW and competed there for a long time. But it would depend how one feels about PED's and legacy. If Jones is disqualified then I'd suggest some other guys like Chuck, Shogun and Wandy could be considered ahead of Cormier.

 

[Gregoire1]

I have seen experts disagree with this and say flat out that Cormier's variance was within normal ranges.

FIND

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EXPERTS

WHO

SAY

THIS

Can't find any? Not surprised. Stop repeating something you have no business saying in the first place.



So again, nothing but finger pointing and supposition.



Did I say they are all clean? Nope. But random finger pointing without a shred of evidence coupled with both assumptions for one group and ardent defence for one specific individual who has been caught more than once is comical in its irony.



Jones has been busted more than once, actually. The E-blockers turned up in generic Cailas, but are commonly used in PCT. That Jones was caught using a steroid afterward supports the view that he was using the E-blockers for part of his PCT.



Back to this? Did you miss the part where I refused to defend Towelgate? It was dodgy. We aren't arguing about that.



At LHW I am inclined to agree. Cormier's body of work there isn't that big. He did start at HW and competed there for a long time. But it would depend how one feels about PED's and legacy. If Jones is disqualified then I'd suggest some other guys like Chuck, Shogun and Wandy could be considered ahead of Cormier.

"Did I say they are all clean? Nope. But random finger pointing without a shred of evidence coupled with both assumptions for one group and ardent defence for one specific individual who has been caught more than once is comical in its irony."

I give you evidence but in your quote its actually what you are doing - just repeat your assumptions and favoritism without evidence. Your mythical experts maybe existed in your mind but reality is DCs level were not normal - we both know it,, they were very suspicious like Jones, why to repeat same thing to convince yourself? Both Jones and DC levels were suspicious, but you try to make excuses for one guy.

Nothing but supposition is claiming your own theories about Jones without evidence based on your fantasies is laughable.

Random pointing and accusations - its your claims about Jones being intentional user based of evidence of one failed test on E-blockes which consideded Cialis and one failed test on Tbol (which currently in investigation). But you jump to hypotyses about intentional using - its your own finger pointing.Because you want to think this way. Evidence of DC using is muuuch more valid than random fighters like you want to claim. I wouldnt repeat myself but there are a lot of suspicious things. And generally the claim that not all top fighters using is either naive either thying to protect somebody (your case).

Jones woudnt be discualified, what do you talking about? In your mind - maybe. Romero, Lensar,JDS, Machida,Anderson, Reem and many others disqualified? Its much more evidence that near all top fighters are on steroids that only Jones is(was).
I dont talking just about LHW - in HW DC didnt beat top opposition.

 

[Lasse Stefanz]

I agree wholeheartedly, TS.

 

[egk]

DC has never had ratio variance outside of normal range.

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http://mmajunkie.com/2012/04/medica...ny-why-do-cutoff-limits-vary-for-testosterone
Most men have a ratio of T to E of 1:1, which means normal men have equal amounts of T and E in their blood. There is some normal ethnic and time of day variation in the normal T/E ratio (as low as 0.7:1 and as high as 1.3:1).

"as low as 0.7:1" Cormier's were 0.4:1 and 0.48:1. While not as bad as Jones, he fell outside the normal range making him suspicious too. The results for both look like people who have stopped producing normal testosterone. It's why prime athletes who claimed they needed TRT were often thought to be steroid users. Their bodies stopped producing normal test because of steroid use. Yes there are other reasons but that's where the hair splitting and excuses come in to play.

You can trot out all the Contis you want but the above is the "normal" range and most of us would expect a prime athlete to have higher test than an average sedentary male. Overeem's test was 14:1 when he got popped while I think 4:1 is what USADA uses as the limit. Robbie Lawler tested as high as 3:1 when he fought MacDonald.

Both Jones and DC were "cleared" in the first fight by CIR testing. but you claim Jones must have been doping for the first fight too while denying DC is even suspicious. You're not fooling anyone with that. I think you're just splitting hairs and using "variance" to excuse the totals. Basically making excuses because you like DC. That's what fans tend to do so I understand.

There are lots of PEDs that aren't steroids. Most top athletes are on something or they wouldn't be at the top. I think Jones is a cheater who got caught and I personally don't care if he ever comes back. It doesn't change the fact that I think most of them are on PEDs. Doping in sports is like lying in politics. The important thing for athletes is to maintain "plausible deniability" just like politicians. That's where the "tainted supplements" and "dickpills" and "skin cream" comes in to play.

 

[jjjjjjjjjjohnny]

JJ never fought heavyweights and got caught doing steroids three times.

That's all there is to it, JJ is disqualified from the goat conversation.

DC fought the big boys and never lost to anyone besides the cheat.

DC, war you tough son of a bitch.

i have to agree 100%