Danish tourist mugged over MAGA hat in NYC

[Greoric]

I didn't say they couldn't show "any kind of pride or patriotism." In fact, I kind of sympathize with German people who feel ashamed or guilty of feeling pride in their country because of its....past. But being a proud German or waving the German flag is okay.

Just like being proud of the UK and waving its flag is okay. That's very different than openly supporting National Front or Britain First, who are openly xenophobic, ethno-nationalistic, and advocate violent removal of certain peoples.

Do you know any society that isn't at some level xenophobic? If so, how did they survive the last 200,000 years of history?

 

[Goonerview]

I didn't say they couldn't show "any kind of pride or patriotism." In fact, I kind of sympathize with German people who feel ashamed or guilty of feeling pride in their country because of its....past. But being a proud German or waving the German flag is okay.

Just like being proud of the UK and waving its flag is okay. That's very different than openly supporting National Front or Britain First, who are openly xenophobic, ethno-nationalistic, and advocate violent removal of certain peoples.

Israel are openly ethno-nationalistic. They have a wall and pay non-Jews to leave the country.

Why aren't you going after them?

Richard Spencer, Alt-Right, Britain first, National Front etc.etc. all they ask for is what Israel have.

For me, I just don't like double standards. I see a lot of white hate on here and in the media, when other races do the same and it's just accepted as normal.

 

[Trotsky]

Israel are opening ethno-nationalistic. They have a wall and pay non-Jews to leave the country.

Why aren't you going after them?

Richard Spencer, Alt-Right, Britain first, National Front etc.etc. all they ask for is what Israel have.

Lol, I get that you're new here or rather haven't been around much lately, so I'll cut you some slack.

I do "go after" Israel.

At no point will I ever, nor should any Westerner in my normative opinion, seek to be more like Israel. EDIT: Although, it should be noted that Israel is a kind of anomaly in the fact that it was established in response to mass genocide perpetrated by ethnonationalists in Germany.

Do you know any society that isn't at some level xenophobic? If so, how did they survive the last 200,000 years of history?

Of course not. Every society throughout history and today has xenophobic features. I would argue that most everyone has xenophobic leanings naturally, although only the dumbest, most cowardly, and most hateful members embrace it doctrinally.

That something has existed perennially in some capacity does not mean that we should arbitrarily yield to it or empower its most extreme representations.

 

[Greoric]

Of course not. Every society throughout history and today has xenophobic features. I would argue that most everyone has xenophobic leanings naturally, although only the dumbest, most cowardly, and most hateful members embrace it doctrinally.

That something has existed perennially in some capacity does not mean that we should arbitrarily yield to it or empower its most extreme representations.

Great answer mate.

 

[SBJJ]

You are consistently against, or at least purport to be against, intervention.

That is not reflective of all Trump supporters, as was very obviously evidenced in the Syria thread where there were multiple "bombs away!" and "flatten those shit hole countries" type comments. Also, as has been clarified before, Trump was not an anti-intervention candidate. He supported Iraq, he supported Libya, openly talked about bombing North Korea and invalidating the Iran nuclear deal, and infamously proffered "bomb the shit out of them" and "kill their families" strategies for combating ISIS.

If you really want this "no war ever" philosophy to stick to you, you're going to have to qualify that your support of Trump was, at the very least, a case of lesser evilism in this area.



Well....you don't defend the victim of a crime. No one would be defending a rape victim.

Also, I'm not a criminal defense attorney and haven't done criminal defense in 6 years.

I'm really wondering if you just make shit up

Name me 4 trump supporters in the WR that support him bombing Syria.

I don't support Trump. I don't support Obama.

I support certain issues. 1 happens to be the overreaching of our intelligence and LE.

I do not waver no matter what party is involved.

You keep bashing Trump supporters yet it was Hillary supporters who backed a woman who fucked over a man in Bernie Sanders who could have beat Trump

And lastly, I didn't vote for Trump

 

[Juventud]

Troll gets confronted for being a troll wearing a MAGA hat then pussies out says "it was just a joke".

Right wing trolls are tough behind their semen soaked keyboards.

 

[Trotsky]

I support certain issues. 1 happens to be the overreaching of our intelligence and LE.

I do not waver no matter what party is involved.

Is "LE" law enforcement? As in you support the overreaching of our intelligence and law enforcement? Strange, but okay.

You keep bashing Trump supporters yet it was Hillary supporters who backed a woman who fucked over a man in Bernie Sanders who could have beat Trump

I hate Clinton and I find her supporters to be insufferable. But at least they can be reasoned with. Trump supporters cannot be.

I'm really wondering if you just make shit up

Name me 4 trump supporters in the WR that support him bombing Syria.

I'm not going back through that thread. Just look at what I believe was my last post or one of my last posts in it, chastising one of them for cheer leading. Better yet, just go to any conservative/pro-Trump site, whether it's actual groups devoted to him or partisan outlets like Fox News.

Also, I don't care if you think I "just make this shit up." You constantly quoting me asking me to go dig up people's posts really overestimates the care I have for your disagreement with me.

I don't support Trump.

lol okay

 

[White Whale]

Lol, I get that you're new here or rather haven't been around much lately, so I'll cut you some slack.

I do "go after" Israel.

At no point will I ever, nor should any Westerner in my normative opinion, seek to be more like Israel. EDIT: Although, it should be noted that Israel is a kind of anomaly in the fact that it was established in response to mass genocide perpetrated by ethnonationalists in Germany.



Of course not. Every society throughout history and today has xenophobic features. I would argue that most everyone has xenophobic leanings naturally, although only the dumbest, most cowardly, and most hateful members embrace it doctrinally.

That something has existed perennially in some capacity does not mean that we should arbitrarily yield to it or empower its most extreme representations.

Why are people fine when places like Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia practice ethnic leanings? It is hypocritical to only have a problem when western nations have ethnic pride.

 

[Goonerview]

Lol, I get that you're new here or rather haven't been around much lately, so I'll cut you some slack.

I do "go after" Israel.

At no point will I ever, nor should any Westerner in my normative opinion, seek to be more like Israel. EDIT: Although, it should be noted that Israel is a kind of anomaly in the fact that it was established in response to mass genocide perpetrated by ethnonationalists in Germany.



Of course not. Every society throughout history and today has xenophobic features. I would argue that most everyone has xenophobic leanings naturally, although only the dumbest, most cowardly, and most hateful members embrace it doctrinally.

That something has existed perennially in some capacity does not mean that we should arbitrarily yield to it or empower its most extreme representations.

My point still stands.

A Ghanaian man in Ghana can walk around with a "Make Ghana Great Again" equivalent hat and be free from being physically attacked for it.

But an American/British/French man showing any kind of pride in their country, it's ok to physically attack them.

Why is there a double standard here?

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

Hopefully they find him and send his ass to Rikers Island. People like this need to start being made example of. It's a free country. You are not entitled to steel somebody else's shit or assault them, because of political differences.

i remember the days when you got your ass beaten for wearing red boots and braces.....

 

[Goonerview]

Troll gets confronted for being a troll wearing a MAGA hat then pussies out says "it was just a joke".

Right wing trolls are tough behind their semen soaked keyboards.

Are you as equally against "right wing" Mexicans or is it just right wing white people that get the brunt of your attacks?

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

Why are people fine when places like Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia practice ethnic leanings? It is hypocritical to only have a problem when western nations have ethnic pride.

western nations like america...austrailia...new zealand...canada dont make sense in having ethnic leanings or ethnic nationalism....they are immigrant countries.

 

[JSN]

western nations like america...austrailia...new zealand...canada dont make sense in having ethnic leanings or ethnic nationalism....they are immigrant countries.

they are former colonies that have a history just like any other place; it just happens to be more recent.

 

[Steve-French]

i remember the days when you got your ass beaten for wearing red boots and braces.....

I'm not really tracking here. What do you mean?

 

[SBJJ]

Is "LE" law enforcement? As in you support the overreaching of our intelligence and law enforcement? Strange, but okay.



I hate Clinton and I find her supporters to be insufferable. But at least they can be reasoned with. Trump supporters cannot be.



I'm not going back through that thread. Just look at what I believe was my last post or one of my last posts in it, chastising one of them for cheer leading. Better yet, just go to any conservative/pro-Trump site, whether it's actual groups devoted to him or partisan outlets like Fox News.

Also, I don't care if you think I "just make this shit up." You constantly quoting me asking me to go dig up people's posts really overestimates the care I have for your disagreement with me.



lol okay

Lol. Now I need to leave the WR and go to pro Trump sites. I've never even been to a pro trump site.

I support Trump yet have countless posts where I bash him. Can you say the same of you and Clinton or Obama?

You can't name 4 Trump supporters in the WR who support the bombing because there are not 4

Lol at you bringing up FOX news. The ONLY Major news network to remotely question this war effort. While CNN & MSNBC straight are propaganda for the war effort.

Jesus, maybe that's why you trash FOX, your NeoCon spidy sense kicking in.

And lastly, I can at least pride myself on being such a hack partisan that I created what might be a top 10 shit thread in the WR

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I guess it turns out that, just like you wouldn't go to UK and wear a "Britain First" hat, to France and wear a "National Front" hat, or to Germany and wear a National Socialist hat, you probably shouldn't go to a US city and arbitrarily wear merchandise of the most embarrassing piece of shit in our country's history.

It's illegal in germany to wear anything nazi related but there is nothing wrong with a national front hat.
You're defending violence against people you disagree with politically.

 

[Trotsky]

My point still stands.

Well, yes, it stands because no one is challenging it....at least not in this conversation.

A Ghanaian man in Ghana can walk around with a "Make Ghana Great Again" equivalent hat and be free from being physically attacked for it.

If that hat was associated with sentiment to marginalize and scapegoat foreign nationals and immigrants, then he might well be attacked. I don't know.

But an American/British/French man showing any kind of pride in their country, it's ok to physically attack them.



Why is there a double standard here?

Because, as I've stated, you're attacking a straw man. MAGA, Britain First, and National Front are not merely expressions of patriotism. They are symbols of ethno-nationalism that serve to imply (at least explicitly with the latter two, maybe not so much with MAGA) that certain citizens of non-European descent are lesser citizens or not citizens at all and that they need to be deported or barred from entry.

Why are people fine when places like Japan, South Korea and Saudi Arabia practice ethnic leanings? It is hypocritical to only have a problem when western nations have ethnic pride.

People are generally fine here doing that too. This is an isolated incident, which is why it made the news.

However, I am sure that plenty of people in those countries don't like it either. For instance, there are Shia minorities in Saudi Arabia and Korean minorities in Japan who would probably not like political expressions saying "we ethnic Japanese/Saudis are the real countrymen and all you other guys need to stop coming in here and making our country less great!"

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

I'm not really tracking here. What do you mean?

back in the 80s and early 90s when it wasnt cool to be conservative/republican/right wing.
people would wear red boot laces and red suspenders signifying their far right leanings.

it was really just a punk and skinhead thing.

 

[White Whale]

western nations like america...austrailia...new zealand...canada dont make sense in having ethnic leanings or ethnic nationalism....they are immigrant countries.

Have you heard of the Ainu and how even to this day are treated like trash in Japan?

 

[Trotsky]

Lol. Now I need to leave the WR and go to pro Trump sites. I've never even been to a pro trump site.

I support Trump yet have countless posts where I bash him. Can you say the same of you and Clinton or Obama?

On both, yes. But certainly more so for Clinton.

You can find a lot lot lot of posts by me "bashing" Clinton, as I find her much more loathsome than Obama. But you can also find posts by me criticizing Obama on issues like Libya, inaction on Honduras, his extremely timid response to race issues, and his being a little too trusting of the GOP during his first term.

As far as there not being 4 Trump supporters here who support intervention, like I said, I don't care if you think that's inaccurate, as I think your disbelief is kind of hilarious and silly. You are just as capable of going and looking for yourself in the Syria thread or elsewhere.

EDIT: Also, about your "you're always mean to Trump! I'm the rational bipartisan one!" shtick, here's my response earlier this week to the thread asking "are Trump supporters 100% to blame for Syria:"

Fuck no, and this thread is stupid.

Under the same circumstances, Clinton would have been just as likely to engage.