Cyborg all of a sudden seems fine with facing a 135lber... | Page 6

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by MustangSally, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. Mmmmmmma1234 Orange Belt

    Mmmmmmma1234
    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    436
    While Yana might not be the best 145 or 135 she's done both and while she lost to Tonya she also had a sub win just before over her (got overturn to NC not sure why). And talked recently about 145, being a better weight for her. Looking at fight metric there's 2 top ten girls not with a major organization and undefeated Katharina Lehner 7-0 and Jozette Cotton 8-0 girls who might be more exciting than Yana, but ufc was scrambling and Yana was already a ufc property so it is what it is.
     
    #101
  2. MRT Brown Belt

    MRT
    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    4,169
    Likes Received:
    2,289
    that's fine...but is it Cyborg's fault the UFC is failing to find big 145ers for her to fight. who is she supposedly ducking?

    Even if she squashes Nunes, the crazier Cyborg haters will still say claim she is only beating 135ers lol

    Cyborg is a legit star...her fight with Carano did monster numbers many years ago...so why does the UFC continue to badly mishandle her when she could be the centrepiece of the division, the way Ronda was at 135? brutal.
     
    #102
  3. The Schmoop Life, uh, finds a way.

    The Schmoop
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    4,236
    Likes Received:
    3,826
    I wouldn't be surprised if Nunes was the one not on board with the short notice fight. Cyborg being Cyborg, it's hard not to imagine her as the reason she's fighting a bum
     
    #103
  4. The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!"

    The ScorpioN
    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2007
    Messages:
    14,081
    Likes Received:
    14,415
    Location:
    Netherrealm
    How is the UFC mishandling her?

    They hired a nutritionist for her to get to a weight class that actually has some talent in it, when that didn't happen and Cyborg just juiced up even more, they created an entire weight class just for her. They gave her a 500k paycheck to crush undersized women.

    There are tons of fighters who'd love to be "mishandled" like Cyborg.
     
    #104
    MMAAlexR, Eater of Souls and aerius like this.
  5. Mmmmmmma1234 Orange Belt

    Mmmmmmma1234
    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    436
    Did u miss the news where cyborg admitted that was a lie because of a temporary suspension by usada after using doctor prescribed drug to rehydrate after her 140 cut at the time, and was not cleared till after.
     
    #105
    UhHuhSure likes this.
  6. Sunken ANYWHERE ON THE DOME !!!

    Sunken
    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2017
    Messages:
    392
    Likes Received:
    634
    Location:
    chilling with your wife
    she can do what ever she wants
     
    #106
  7. Mmmmmmma1234 Orange Belt

    Mmmmmmma1234
    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2017
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    436
    I don't know cyborg really wanted this IN July for the pay, this match could even be part of the deal to make THAT happen like Cyborg, "I'll defeat anyone else at 222 if I get amanda at 226"
     
    #107
  8. The Schmoop Life, uh, finds a way.

    The Schmoop
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    4,236
    Likes Received:
    3,826
    I could be. She's clearly the best female fighter on the planet. Unfortunately, she's also the biggest. No matter who she beats or how she beats them, her butt hurt haters will never give her credit. Even if she plows throw Nunes, she'll get shit on. Like it or not, Cyborg is the draw. UFC knows it. Why else would she be headlining cards at catchweight and have a division created for her?
     
    #108
    UhHuhSure likes this.
  9. Philly253 Brown Belt

    Philly253
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Messages:
    4,088
    Likes Received:
    1,321
    I can't stand her weekly whining but good on her for jumping on a card like that.

    Nunes and Anderson will come next if someone doesn't ruin it..
     
    #109
    Mmmmmmma1234 and Thepaintbucket like this.
  10. Wicked_1 Green Belt

    Wicked_1
    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2003
    Messages:
    1,394
    Likes Received:
    82
    Location:
    Oregon
    So holly wasnt a challenge ? How about Rhonda.. Who ducked her for years. Gina.. Who was Rhonda be4 Rhonda
    . You act like people are lining up to fight her. She saved the card for ufc, she didnt hand pick her opponent. Short notice.. Im sure if Nunes would have said yes, that would be the fight, but she didnt. Blame her for not accepting.
     
    #110
  11. Eater of Souls Guardian of the Gate

    Eater of Souls
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    8,691
    Likes Received:
    12,308
    Three entire weeks ago. Odds that it was because of this fight at least being discussed. She routinely weighed in under the 135 lbs. limit.
     
    #111
  12. ostlerrage Brown Belt

    ostlerrage
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2009
    Messages:
    4,417
    Likes Received:
    2,810
    She's vermin. SImple as that.
    one of the most disgusting humans in sport.
     
    #112
    Eater of Souls likes this.
  13. Eater of Souls Guardian of the Gate

    Eater of Souls
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    8,691
    Likes Received:
    12,308
    Where are they going to find these fighters? Hell, the Bellator champ @145 was beaten by both Rousey and Nunes in the first round. Cyborg is the queen of the post-apocalyptic wasteland.
     
    #113
    A_bomb47 and The ScorpioN like this.
  14. helltoupee Black Belt

    helltoupee
    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2015
    Messages:
    5,200
    Likes Received:
    5,153
    Location:
    on one wheel
    LOL at leveraging your entire post on walk around weight vs. ring weight.

    As if any fighter walks around at the actual weight they weigh in at.

    And I seriously don't get all the PED outrage. More than half the roster has been busted for PEDs, yet one failed test almost 10 years ago completely defines everything about Cyborg...you really should stop watching MMA, and sports in general, if a failed PED test bothers you so much, because I got news for you, most the guys testing clean aren't really clean.
     
    #114
  15. Eater of Souls Guardian of the Gate

    Eater of Souls
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2016
    Messages:
    8,691
    Likes Received:
    12,308
    We have no idea what their actual ring weight was. And if you think that is all my post was based on, well, you disagree with your statement by bringing up another point. Of course, Cyborg's nutritionist has given her fight weight at 168. And, of course, you miss the obvious about her claims about cutting.

    And no, not more than half the roster. Why do you feel the need to lie?

    And no, I never said a PED test failure bothers me so much. Try context. It helps.

    Typical Cyborg apologist.
     
    #115
  16. MRT Brown Belt

    MRT
    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    4,169
    Likes Received:
    2,289
    the only reason for Cyborg to make 135 was when Ronda was there, as the champ has earned the right to be met on her own terms, not have to move up to face someone who is neither in her division nor even in her org at the time.

    but the excuse for handicapping Cyborg down to 135, where her opponents might have a chance, evaporated when Ronda got headkicked into oblivion.

    500k is garbage compared to what Ronda was earning, and crushing smaller women isn't building a division. Cyborg is twice the fighter Ronda was and the UFC is hardly investing in her, or the 145 division, the way they did for Ronda and 135.

    TS pulling out the 'duck' nonsense is ridiculous, especially when everyone else is crying about how there is no talent at 145 and Cyborg is crushing smaller women So which is it? Is Cyborg ducking...or is there no talent? I call bullshit on both claims.

    She has been mishandled because the UFC should be celebrating and promoting Cyborg as the most dominant female MMA fighter ever and building a division around her. It isn't like Cyborg suddenly showed up...the UFC has had YEARS to work on this. so yeah, she's been mishandled. They have a legit star on their hands, with allegedly no one to face her? That's on the UFC, not Cyborg.
     
    #116
  17. MRT Brown Belt

    MRT
    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2006
    Messages:
    4,169
    Likes Received:
    2,289
    she was moving up anyway and was supposed to fight at 145 on the same card, before the Cyborg fight came up.



    That's for the UFC to figure out...time to earn their money and invest in the division. They built 135 around Ronda from nothing and it paid off handsomely...why not do the same when you have a proven monster like Cyborg to build around? Don't tell me women suddenly cease to exist above 135. A start would be to pay these fighters some legit money to lure them into the sport...
     
    #117
    UhHuhSure likes this.
  18. Thirdpres Brown Belt

    Thirdpres
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2012
    Messages:
    3,521
    Likes Received:
    1,698
    I'll attempt to shed some light on a little bit of this.

    Mike England interfered with the fight between Yana Kunitskaya and Tonya Evinger*. Evinger was defending an armbar by putting her foot on Kunitskaya's face. England told Evinger to stop it, telling her she was In the wrong. He stopped the fight and made Evinger change her position that prevented her from defending Kunitskaya's new angle of attacking her arm. The athletic commission in Missouri overturned the fight due England's refereeing. They fought again and Evinger eventually defeated Kuniskaya, defending a similar armbar attempt in that fight too.

    Lehner is set to fight Sarah Kaufman for the Invicta bantamweight title later this year. That fight was recently announced. The position Kunitskaya vacated recently. (Most of Kunitskaya's career in MMA has been at featherweight until this past two and a half years or so. Just pointing this out again for people who have missed that.)

    Cotton hasn't actually made weight for 145lbs yet. She came in over weight in the actual title fight weigh in, vs Jennifer Leigh Norris, but they let it happen as a title fight anyways.

    Cotton was set to fight Leah Letson for Dynasty but the UFC picked her up, from Invicta, to fight for them. (Letson has fought at bantamweight some too but she has been struggling to make weight and has agreed to fight up as a featherweight of late. She has called out Cyborg recently on twitter.)

    Hopefully that helps a little.

    --
    Different topic:

    It is never a good idea of look at photos of people weighing in to see who is the bigger fighter. They are both attempting to make weight.

    For Evinger vs. Kunitskaya you can at least tell who has extra fat on them and who is totally drained looking.

    There is plenty of other stuff about Kunitskaya and her weight situation in this thread and in articles dealing with CSAC ruling on her. Etc. Enough said.

    --

    I know Tonya Evinger presents herself as an out of shape trucker driver type and can be pretty sloppy at times but she does has skills and is surprisingly strong for her size. Her background is wrestling and she was at a high level back when she competed, just behind Sara McMann on the Olympic ladder.

    One of their many wrestling matches from way back when.


    Typically McMann won their matches but not always. Evinger went 3-1 vs Kathlee Albert too if my memory serves me. People know Albert better as Cat Zingano.

    Evinger can get people down and bust them up fairly well.

    If you were a WEC fan back in the day you may remember her coming out as part of Faber's crew at some old shows. They are old friends.

    [​IMG]

    (Edit. Evinger can be a volatile personality and they could have had a falling out that I do not know about. Last time I knew Evinger spent time with Faber was pre TUF 18. Miesha Tate, someone Evinger has had a long running "feud" of sorts was training at TAM around that time period. - Evinger has been seeking a fight with Tate for years.)
     
    #118
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2018
    UhHuhSure, Mmmmmmma1234 and Mark Zima like this.
  19. Askafan Purple Belt

    Askafan
    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2016
    Messages:
    2,222
    Likes Received:
    2,972

    I'm trying hard to keep up here, UFC offered title fight start of December, Cris tested 5th December, MmaFighting published her statement about turning down fight and needing 12 weeks on 6 December, result of positive test announced 22nd December. So she didn't actually know about any suspension when she made statement saying she needed 12 weeks.

    Water under the bridge now I guess.
     
    #119
  20. BETtrman Green Belt

    BETtrman
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2009
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    2,268
    Hahahaha
    Hahahaha

    Saved the card?

    Hahahaha
     
    #120

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "fd5733925866a04e50edd70f38dfaa35"
monitoring_string = "603ac9fff68f23709f2a42bf5e29272b"